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timovuorensola2Timo Vuorensola doesn’t need long introductions. He’s known especially for directing movies and being a member of Älymystö.

Mesikämmen decided to ask few questions from Timo. In the following interview Star Wreck, Iron Sky, Laibach, Älymystö, Nazi UFO’s, Nazi’s in movies, Sarah Palin and her supporters, Pekka Siitoin, and many other subjects are covered.

Ladies and gentlemen, Timo Vuorensola speaks!

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Background

If this interview could take place anywhere, anytime, real or imaginary, where would we sit now making this interview?

I’d pick some nice, cozy pub in Tharbad, Cardolan. That’s in Middle-Earth, of course. And year would be around 1650 Third Age.

Who are you, what do you do? What did you do before Iron Sky that made you a celebrity?

I’m some kind of a all-round-random-shit -guy who just ended up focusing on film. I’ve been interested in anything, from writing to music, from graphics to marketing, and have done a many jobs on each of those fields. I used to be a telemarketer before I started filmmaking and financed my ass during the the making of my first film, Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning.

What made you start Star Wreck-movies? Were you a typical Star Trek-fan?

I wasn’t the brains behind Star Wreck-series, before I met him, Samuli Torssonen from Tampere who had been working on Star Wrecks all his life. I joined in first as an actor to Star Wreck V: Lost Contact -short film, and he asked me – because I was always loud and buzzing about the set – to direct the second. I hadn’t directed anything of that scale before, but decided to take the “job” (not like anyone was paying…).

Regarding Star Trek, I hand’t seen even one full Star Trek episode before I started working on Star Wreck, and didn’t get around to watch the series until years after I had already finished my work on Star Wreck. Maybe it was good, brought the film a bit above the typical fanwank level of fan films on the Internet.

Who are your favorite Star Trek characters and why? The first or the next generation? Deep space nine?

Now that I’ve seen every episode of Star Trek (me and my girlfriend took a 1,5 year Star Trek marathon, watching every episode (729 episodes) and every movie (11 movies then), I find myself a “first generation” -guy, meaning the Original Series is the one that speaks loudest to me, although every other series have had their awesome bits. And out of all the characters in Star Trek, I’d go picking Kirk, Spock, Data and Archer. They all are interesting, stand-alone characters that really bring incredible flavour to the series.

What are your all time favorite movies and directors, top 10? Why these directors, movies?

Top-10 is rather hard, but let’s give it a go:

1. David Lynch – For the freedom of expression.

2. Ridley Scott – For the science fiction mindset.

3. James Cameron – For the beyond-this-world visions.

4. Stanley Kubrick – For the best films I’ve seen in my life.

5. Gus van Sant – For the challenging topics he tackles with such ease.

6. John Cameron Mitchell – For the best film I’ve seen in my life (Hedwig and the Angry Inch).

7. Peter Jackson – For being the guy I want to be one day.

8. Darren Aronofsky – For the darkness, and the light at the end of the tunnel, that turns out to be a train of horrors roaring at you.

9. Steven Spielberg – For my childhood.

10. Terry Gilliam – For taking us on a ride out of this world.

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Iron Sky and things related

Where were the seeds of the Iron Sky planted? I recall some mentions about sauna…

Yeah, we were sitting in a sauna, a bunch of us, and friend of ours, one of the writers of Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning suggested we should do a film about Moon Nazis. He had been reading bout this conspiracy theory and thought it might turn into something interesting. First we of course were just laughing about it, but the more we thought about the topic, read about it and researched it, the more we realised there could be a story there.

Turun Hengentieteen Seura made notions about sending metaphysical magical signals into the collective field of human consciousness as the real origin for Iron Sky. What is the truth about the matter? Did you feel some odd itching in your head when the idea came to you?

Yeah, but we believed it to be just dirty nerd sweat exiting our bodies in the heat of the sauna, but apparently, well, that’s what it was then.

ironskyufosWhat do you think of the Nazi-UFO-mythos in general? What do you think, is there is any base to Nazi’s having had man-made UFO’s?

Absolutely, there’s quite a lot of photographic evidence of a saucer-shaped ships being tested by Nazi scientists and later these researches found their way to USA where they were taken even further. I assume the problem eventually was that there was no way to create an energy source that could take the advantage of the saucer shape, and the research was abandoned, after Roswell accident, and all the focus was put into building a space rocket based on V2 technology.

Your take on UFO’s in general?

Whatever saucer-shaped there’s flying it’s man-made. I’m also a firm believer in life outside of our solar system, even ponder it’s possible to think there could be a form of intelligence, but I highly doubt we’ll ever have any contact with anything more than few worms buried in Mars and weird fishy things in Europa. So, in that way I believe we Earthlings should use our imagination as wide, far and crazy as possible in imagining conscious life out there, since we’ll never find it out anyway.

Why does Nazi aesthetics appeal to the people? What’s the reason behind their appeal to the people nowadays? What do you think of Nazis? Was was the worst and the best in them in your books?

Strength and cool come from strong will and great taste in the visuals. Unfortunately, what’s driving these is an ideology that’s so badly rotten inside it’s not worth celebrating. But Nazi cool can be thanked only by Hollywood film industry, which put these soldiers in pedestal and made them demigods of evil. Mankind loves evil, so we love nazis. What’s always forgotten, and what’s very sad is that Nazis were not ‘evil’, they were just pathetic ignorant mislead shitheads. But you can’t really make a multi-billion branch of entertainment industry based on hunting pathetic ignorant mislead shitheads, they are not fun. Evil is much more fun. Making nazis evil you make them entertaining and making them entertaining you make people want to watch them and pay for them.

What I believe how Nazis should be treated is to be revealed as the pathetic ignorant mislead shitheads they are, so no more people want to follow them, because, who wants to identify being a pathetic ignorant mislead shithead?

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I recall there has been some problems in getting the movie distributed, etc. Tell us about that. It must have dealt with the Nazi-dimension of the movie, right?

In the beginning, people were very worried about how we will approach the topic of Nazism, given its’ strong negative baggage, so we did get a lot of interest but a lot of “no thank yous” in the end. It took years of convincing for people to understand that this is a comedy, that it’s dismantling the Nazi mythos not appraising it, and that it’s not making fun of the victims of the Nazis. After this was managed to be slammed into the heads of people, getting the distributors was a bit easier, but for a small marginal european scifi film, it’s never easy.

Eventually, we succeeded, selling the film to theatres in over 60 countries with DVD and VOD finding its’ way to even more. The film is somehow still coming out here and there; just last weekend Hungary released the film to theatres, so there’s some serious longevity in the film.

ironskysarahpalinHave Sarah Palin supporters contacted you regarding the movie? What have they said?

It took them about six months to really form an intelligible response to the film, and it contained a lot of death threats, curse words and Euro-bashing. It was probably one of the best times I’ve had as a filmmaker, reading as some right-wing nutcase found out about Iron Sky, tweeted about it and then the whole republican media on Internet went nuclear.

How you got Laibach to make the soundtrack to Iron Sky? Were they instanty all in for it or was it a matter of negotiations or some such process? Were you a Laibach fan before the movie, an NSK-citizen?

I’ve never been an NSK citizen, but was a big big fan of Laibach since I first found out about them, and was listening to them constantly as I was working and writing Iron Sky. It was one of the initial goals for me production-wise, to get Laibach to do the music, and although contacting them and the initial negotiations were not easy, as soon as we got a chance to meet and talk what the film will be, and how it will be like, they decided to help. And when Laibach is on board, they are on board 150%, and will pull in every resource and bit of energy they have to create something extraordinary.

What do you think of the reception the movie has got? How do you feel about it?

Reception has been mixed. I usually think it’s divided into those with IQ under 100 or above 100. Those above seem to be more likely to get it, those under seem to have hard time getting their heads around it. And, well, of course there’s the film critics, but then again, who cares of them anyway? I’m happy the right people find the film, and I’m happy it has created a huge, intense following that’s going to help us making the sequel, and I promise even the sequel won’t even try to make everyone happy.

ironskylaibachWhat do you think of the movie yourself? What could have been done better, what ended up perfect?

I’m proud and happy of it. Looking back, the more I see what choices we made during the production, the less I think something could’ve been done different. Films are more than sum of their parts, and the magic happens not only as it is written, but also in certain time and space, where no other end result could’ve come out. I could go back and chance this and that, but I fear it would result in a worse film. To me, Iron Sky is perfect as it is, with all its’ flaws, and I wouldn’t really go changing too much. I would’ve liked to stay in the Moon Base a bit more, but we really had to get going with the story around 29 minutes, when we leave the base for the first time.

The movie must have brought you into many interesting situatons. Do you have some special stories to share with us about those? The most surprising, memorable, weird situations?

I’ve had great time with the film’s release. Travelling to tens of film festivals all over the world you get to meet the most amazing people, most interesting world views and end up into strangest situations. Let’s just say I’ve understood that there’s no glamour in film, but there’s something very wicked, dark and perverted in the world of film that’s rather interesting. Weirdest people I’ve met are usually the UFO freaks thanking me for a great documentary.

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Älymystö

What is Älymystö all about?

alymystoÄlymystö an industrial noise project me and Mr. Haapanen set up some 12 years ago. Our intention was originally only to do few songs and one live show, but it grew out of its’ proportions, and although we haven’t released a lot, and haven’t toured like animals, we’ve established a small niche of which we are proud, and which we are also expanding on nowadays.

What made you interested in industrial music? The biggest influences? Top ten best industrial albums – or other kinds of albums, if you prefer to broaden the question?

Industrial music is also a glance into the dark side of electronic music and metal music, sort of like looking under the hood of what this shit is made of. It has beauty in the crust, rot and malfunctions, and it’s very digiprimitive in its’ nature. Top ten industrial albums listed here:

Laibach: Opus Dei.

GGFH: Disease.

Ministry: Psalm 69.

Die Krupps: II.

Alec Empire: Futurist.

Godflesh: Pure.

Pitchshifter.

Front Line Assembly: Hard Wired.

NON: Music for Iron Youth.

You ”sing” and write lyrics for Älymystö. What inspires your lyrics? What do you want or aim to express via them?

Usually sexual frustration, religious frustration, murder fantasies and some kind of a compilation of these elements.

If you would be either a musician or a movie director (not both) which one you would be?

Musician.

The best Älymystö album to date, and why that?

Atomgrad is our only full-length album so far, and I’m proud of it. It has a very unique atmosphere that’s unrepeatable.

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Pekka Siitoin

siitoinufoWhat do you think of Pekka Siitoin? What do you think was the best and the worst in the man? What do you think of him, in general?

I think Finland needs these strong personalities, whatever side of the imaginary ‘fence’ they stand. We tend to be a society which ridicules and abhors anyone with unique personality and see standing out as a negative trait. I’m talking of Pekka Siitoin, but also of Spede Pasanen, Lenita Airisto, Jörn Donner and Matti Nykänen to name a few. All of these are interesting people, some are creepy, some just plain insane and some considered intellectuals. What I like about them all is that they give a nice kick in the ass of us Finns, forces us to think beyond the “kahvia-ja-pullaa” universe we so easily float in. So, I don’t agree with Pekka’s views at all, but I respect his uniqueness.

Did you consider having Pekka Siitoin as a character in Iron Sky at any point? Do you consider doing so in the sequel of the movie that is in planning?

Yes, actually we did, at least partially. In the very first draft of Iron Sky, there was supposed to be a character called Pekka Lehto on the Moon, playing much similar character as Klaus Adler is now. His name comes from a Pekka Siitoin – Seppo Lehto -mash-up, and he was to be a crazy son of a bitch nazi, main antagonist of the film. This was a bit before Johanna Sinisalo joined us, though.

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Keys of success, future, etc.

As a creative and successful person, what kind of advice you would give to persons wishing to create something like Star Wreck or Iron Sky? What are the ingredients of success, of making it all come true today? What you would have done differently if you would have had some advice in the early stages of your process? Or is is all just ”try and see”-kind of process?

I like to say that there’s really nothing you can take or achieve to have the qualifications to make a feature film, other than making it. So, I’d suggest evaluate your life and think, would you be willing to do years of work without being paid to become a filmmaker. Most wouldn’t, and that narrows it down to those would. Then, making a film itself is obviously the main task, and only very few really get to finish. And out of those who finish, even smaller portion are willing to do the work it takes to make a film.

First film doesn’t have to be great in every respect, but it needs to show you have the guts to finish a feature film, you have some kind of a vision on what you are doing. So, instead of talking about it, start making a film. And instead of skipping the corners, spend years on it to make it as good as you humanely can. Then, release it and see what happens.

What you would like people to know about you that they haven’t got to know about you thus far via mainstream media?

I’m an egoistic asshole. It helps repositioning me in the field of who’s a great guy and who’s not. I am.

What kind of plans you have in for your near future when it comes to Älymystö, movies?

Right now I’m working on two feature films – Jeremiah Harm, a scifi actioner and Iron Sky sequel. There’s also talks about more films to which I’ve attached my ass to, one of them being I Killed Adolf Hitler, then there’s Deadrise and a bunch of others.

What makes you happy?

Right now, Oranssi Pazuzu. In general, when I’m right and people listen to me and things click. What makes me sad is when I’m wrong but people still listen to me and things fall apart. Both happen at equal intervals.

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Thank you for the interview, Timo!

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Related:

Iron Sky official webpage.

Iron Sky in Facebook.

Älymystö.

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Iron Siitoin.

Reich of the Black Sun.

We come in peace.

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I recently published an interview with Dominick Crowley of My Swastika -documentary and Alexa MacDermot’s article on Irish Swastika reclaimationists. In the process I came up with the name ManWoman again and again – and the more I heard of him, the more I got interested in him. I checked his website and YouTube-channel and eventually sent some questions to him. Here, ladies and gentlemen, ManWoman speaks! 卐

Background

As a brief introduction to those who don’t know you – who are you and what do you do?

I’m a controversial, renegade Canadian artist, poet and mystic. As a young man, I had mysterious mystical experiences which awakened me to a much deeper vision of life and art. Now I’m being honoured around the world, chiefly for my efforts to reclaim the sacred swastika and repackage the spiritual.

You are from Canada – What is life like there?

Canada is full of nice people but not much culture (indigenous culture suffers from annihilation) because we have all come from elsewhere and it takes centuries to build an identity. We play hockey and hang animal corpses on our living room walls.

What is your favorite color and why?

In my dreams I was always wearing yellow, driving yellow cars, finding yellow things. For me yellow is the colour of the lover, the source of life, illumination, when the soul is filled with inspiration and creativity and blessing.

What inspires you as an artist?

Spiritual experiences and dreams, beauty and truth.

What do you aim to achieve with your art?

I express a deep part of myself, so deep that it is no longer about the small “me” but about the inner self that belongs to all beings 卐

Swastika and things related

Your relationship to Swastika is a spiritual one. Tell us about the spiritual experience that got you started in this – what happened, where and when? What is the “Secret doctrine of the Holy Fuck” involved? How this experience changed your life?

At the age of 27, in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta, 5 Feb 1965, in the Mountain View Motel, I went into a trance that night and my spirit soared up into what I call the Womb of the Sacred, where I was surrounded by fiery beauty and exciting power like rolling thunder. I thought I was dying and was extremely frightened until I surrendered to it and was drawn up into a radiant light that is the absolute formless being, the Self. I call it Secret Doctrine of the Holy Fuck so it doesn’t get confused with religion which our world suffers from. It was a state of love, ecstasy and oneness with the Nameless One.

I tried to tell my wife, my friends, my relatives, about this wonderful awaken in my soul. They edged away as if I had caught some terrible disease. A local priest told me I was insane and needed to turn myself in. I had walked away from church during my art school days and his words made me realize religion will never bring about such a creative experience. I decided I would be who I truly was even if the whole world shunned me as my friends were now doing. By the way, no drugs were involved in any of my experiences, which continued almost daily for a year.

Your artist name is ManWoman. In your videos Art talk and The real me was never born you talk about feminine aspect of Swastika and its importance. Does your artist name represent your spiritual work – effort to bring feminine and masculine energies together in a harmonious way?

During my visions all opposites melted into each other. In the dreams that followed, I was always both male and female and the dream people called me ManWoman. I was told this was my real name and I don’t need to tell you how I struggled with the idea of going through life with this name. It ruined my art career.

Swastika is evidently the most important symbol, spiritual symbol, to you. Are there some other symbols that are special to you? Why Swastika is the most important symbol to you?

My art is full of symbols, archetypes that point to an inner world which cannot be communicated but only hinted at. In dreams, the swastika became the symbol for that vortex of love and truth that embraced my soul in the Womb of the Sacred.

"God cannot be represented by any image. This was my best effort (1965)."

How would you describe your spirituality? What do you believe in? I’ve got an impression that you do not much appreciate formal religions, seeing that genuine spirituality should not (or could not) be put in strict boxes that formal religions are. I’ve got an impression that you have quite shamanistic basic touch in your spirituality with some buddhist influences – Am I correct?

I would say you could see many religions in my spirituality because I’m talking about the primal experience that all founders of all religions must have experienced. I’m very open ended and experimental. My initiation into it was through a shamanistic trance, although I had no teachers and this all came at me like a bolt from the blue. – pure without the baggage of tradition or scripture or doctrine.

Buddhism has no deity but the inner Buddha which is in us all – I like that. Hinduism has so many deities that everything is holy – I like that. My experiences can be compared to what Hindus call Kundalini Shakti – the release of the sacred feminine snake up the spine to levels or chakras of illumination. I like the Sufi way of honouring the sacred wherever it is found.

I detest all religions which use their god like a club to bully all others into submission to a set of stupid mindless beliefs and are willing to die for world domination of same stupid beliefs. So many perpetrators have “god” in their back pocket to justify their actions.

If you would meet the pope, Richard Dawkins, and Dalai Llama, what would you tell them?

Gentle Swastika (1984)

I had to Google Richard Dawkins – what person of intelligence seeing all the horrors and perpetration done by religion in our world wouldn’t choose to be atheist? I would tell the pope to kiss my ass. If he’s Christ’s representative on earth then I’m the Virgin Mary. I detest what has been imposed on the innocent and the gullible by the Catholic church. I like the Dalai Lama because he promotes loving kindness. It is cute that you spelled his name Llama like the animal from South America – soft and furry.

Ah, yes, I spelled that wrong, heh! In addition to your paintings and poetry you have also written three books. What are they about?

Gentle Swastika: Reclaiming the Innocence, a history of the worldwide uses of the swastika and my vision to restore it to its sacred purpose.

Homesick For Eternity, the autobiography of my awakening years, the trials, the bliss, the astonishment, illustrated by paintings of my visions.

Midnite Freak Show: Art, Poetry and Dangerous Mysticism, my poetry plus another series of paintings.

You have been called the father of Swastika reclaimationists. How do you feel about this? Did you get the call to start to work for reclaimation of Swastika immediately during the “Swastika experience” you had, or did that call develop gradually after the experience?

I believe I earned the title “father” of the Reclaim the Swastika movement the hard way with over 40 years of being tattooed with swastikas, teaching, networking, holding the hard place of opposing all the enormous prejudice against the swastika. And sometimes angry confrontations. It takes courage.

A wise old man with white hair, white beard, and white clothes, marked my throat in a dream and asked me to restore the swastika to its holy meanings. I nearly choked because I had Polish relatives taken to Auschwitz during the war. My mother said, when she sees a swastika, it cuts right through her. Still, I won her with the evidence I accumulated for a sacred swastika.

The Waitress From Swastika Café

Has the reclaimationist work become easier as we have got more distance from WW II – or has it stayed the same or even become more difficult as the West has become more “politically correct”?

Holocaust survivors and veterans of the war are dying off. The younger generation is looking for a cause and seeking a new world view, so yes, it is spreading beyond my expectations. Political correctness will never stifle this vision. Even young Jews are joining the cause.

As reclaimationists in general, you are not happy about what Nazis did with Swastika. This is evident for example from your videos To hell with Hitler and Sacred Swastika. How often people get upset from your Swastikas? Do people “get it” easily when you start to explain to them what Swastika is really all about?

I’m not comfortable with being called a reclamationist, which suggests a particular single group. There are many people who want to see the swastika restored – Native peoples in Canada and USA, Mayans, Western Buddhists, Western Hindus, various Pagan groups, the Tattoo community and worldwide youth and rock ‘n’ roll culture – it’s hard to put us all in one pot.

What have been the best things that have happened for Swastika reclaimationists during the last decades? The worst?

Photo by Bobby Neal Adams for Re/Search #12, Modern Primitives, 1989.

My interview in RE/Search Modern Primitives reach a vast audience among the tattoo community, which helped the idea spread to many countries. Ongoing ignorance of the true meaning is the worst contributor. The release of the My Swastika documentary that started at the Tattoo Festival in Cobh, Ireland in 2010 will be another huge boost to public education. Since the Irish Festival, interviews with me have been published in magazines from UK, Ireland, France, Germany.

What does it tell about that Swastika is in the West still associated with Nazis? In addition to the obvious historical associations, are there some deeper level spiritual or other currents that are connected with this? Does this kind Western mentality involved with Swastika’s association with Nazis manifest some deep spiritual, cultural and other problems that we in the West are dealing with today? Or is this kind of question not meaningful, are those things not really connected?

What happened in WWII cannot be erased but brave people who choose to use the symbol for new or restored old meanings are what will really make a shift in the overall consciousness around the swastika. No one will remember WWII forever.

Think of the most sacred thing in your life
think of the most precious thing
and put the swastika into that place
Put the swastika into your heart.
Put the swastika on your altar.
Put the swastika on the image you use
to represent God, love, peace, or the cosmos.
Put the swastika on the thing that makes you happy.
You will begin to see what the swastika has meant to humans
over this entire planet for all of our human history.
For these places are exactly the places it occupied
for thousands of years until the Second World War,
when it fell victim to a chronic infection.
I say to hell with Hitler –
me and my friends are taking it back!

ManWoman

When the day comes that Swastika is reclaimed, what will that world be like? How it differs from today’s world?

The swastika exists in so many cultures, it is part of the collective unconscious as Carl Jung realized. We will be inwardly richer not having our most sacred sign stolen by an evil war. In the orient, the swastika has never been lost so this issue is mostly a problem for those nations touched by the Nazi regime.

You have a massive collection of Swastika related items in your Swastika Museum. What kind of items you have and how many items you have all in all? Is your Swastika Museum open to the public? Are there some special Swastika items you would like to get into your museum?

Lucky Swastika cigar box blankets in ManWoman's Swastika Museum.

My museum is just in my front room. People do drop in for a visit. It is not a formal museum. I have many drawers full, walls covered, filing cabinets and trunks – Victorian jewelry, turn of the century postcards, Navaho rugs, baseball caps, thousands of items. I have never counted them all. I have most of the important items. I’m not collecting more. In fact, I have been giving some away to my supporters. People can see some of the items on my YouTube videos.

Do you have any Nazi-Germany Hakenkreuzes in your collection or have you decided to not include them? Why yes or no?

When I first started in 1967 several people offered me Nazi stuff. I refused.

Later in 1985, three of my first swastika penpals and I met at the home of Carolyn O’Neil, the town historian of Swastika, Ontario, Canada. There was Douglas Youngblood from Chicago, a researcher, and Alfred Harbich, who called himself Guru Svastika, a German artist. We had many heated arguments about not including Nazi items. Carolyn and I did not want any Nazi items. The others argued for showing the complete history. We left with no agreement. I have none in my collection. My purpose was to create The Friends Of The Swastika and any tainted items would sabotage all my efforts.

You are part of the forthcoming documentary My Swastika. What kind of part you have in the documentary? What kind of hopes and expectations you have for the documentary?

I’m featured and interviewed about the visions and the long journey I have been on with the Swastika. I was guest speaker at two tattoo festivals in Ireland and also an underground music festival in Denmark where I showed slides and talked about the symbol. I believe this documentary will ignite an even bigger expansion to the save the swastika movement.

ManWoman gives a talk about Swastika. 2nd Traditional Tattoo And World Culture Festival, Cobh, Co Cork, Ireland. June 3rd-6th 2011.

You took part to the 2nd Traditional Tattoo And World Culture Festival in Ireland this year. How was it? What kind of Swastika reclaimationist program and activities there were?

I have never used the term Reclamationist which is now being dubbed on us. This is a grassroots movement with no preconceived agenda. There were many playful swastikas, a swastika prayer ritual, swastika medicine wheel, swastika prayer flags and banners, swastika tattoos, swastika clothing, swastika cakes and cookies, swastika chocolate-covered marzipan handed out like communion wafers. My wife Astarté built a swastika-shaped garden in a small sacred grove where we did the prayer tie ceremony. All create by various individual with no organized plan. It was a Swastika Happening.

What is Swastika, that ancient sacred symbol, all about, in its core?

It speaks of the source of our being, our cycles of incarnation, transformation, celebration and enormous blessings 卐

Future

What kind of plans you have for the future as an artist, as a Swastika reclaimationist?

I don’t really have plans. I’m networking with swastika people all over the globe. Sometimes the person who plants the seeds isn’t the one who reaps the harvest. I follow my vision and now it’s up to the Great Mystery to unfold it’s plans. I do not take credit for something that is inspired by the Spirit.

What makes you happy?

Being who I truly am without compromise or fear or common sense 卐

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Thank you for the interview, ManWoman! 卐

All pictures used in the interview are from ManWoman’s webpage, except the one from 2nd Traditional Tattoo And World Culture Festival, which is from The Gentle Swastika Collective blog.

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Boyd Rice: An Embodiment of the Wolf’s Hook

As many of you know, I wrote an article “Church of Satan is dead” some time ago. That article got me in touch with a documentary movie maker Larry Wessel, who’s interview “Larry Wessel speaks!” I then made. Wessel’s latest movie, Iconoclast, was six years in making. The result is a four hour long ride that goes through Boyd Rice’s life in three parts. This includes a good deal of history of pop culture and art too. After watching the movie I knew I wanted to write a review of it. However, after reading Carl Abrahamsson’s excellent review I thought I would have nothing to add to what he had said, because he put it all so well. You can find Abrahamsson’s review from here. Well, I thougth I could still write something about the documentary. If nothing else, I could write down my notes of the contents of the film and some of my rambling notes in between. What follows might be boring reading as it pretty much just lists the contents of the film. For those who are interested in Boyd’s art, life, and persona and have not seen the film yet, my notes and ramblings might still be interesting. So, with this note, or warning, let me begin.

Part One: Lemon Grove

Part one of the movie starts with Boyd reading his poem Secrets:

That is most powerful which remains unknown

Except unto you, and to you alone

There are secrets that slumber behind these eyes

And I stand by my secrets, my truths and my lies

There are secrets that soar where the eagle flies

Above man’s truths and beyond his lies

There are secrets that slither like snakes in the night

Coiled in shadows, far distant from light

There are secrets that confront you in the midday sun

Yet remain unknown to everyone

A secret burns bright when its law is obeyed

But is doomed to fade when that law is betrayed

For that is most powerful which remains unknown

Except unto you, and to you alone.

It seems to me that in some poetical way the ethos of this poem carries through the whole documentary. I don’t know Boyd but it seems to me that the poem carries the spirit that is present in all that Boyd has done and what he is like. He is difficult to label, he is multidimensional. He is often labeled this and that, often as something sinister and suspicious. But the truth probably lies somewhere between the lines, one could say between the opposites. I was reminded already at this point of the film of the wolf’s hook rune and how it really well seems to symbolize the essence of Boyd and his work.

After that Bob Larson does exorcism, Boyd goes to a tobacco store and buys a whole box of Samuel Gawith snuff. Wait! Is that that nasal tobacco? Yes it is, you can see Boyd taking it later in the film, in part three of the documentary, at the Absinthe studios. I have never tried nasal snuff, but I enjoy a lot the kind of snuss (especially portioned General) that you can buy in Sweden (I am having one portion under my lip right now while writing this).

A family history follows. A whole bunch of old pics. A story of a neighbohour average man’s everyday routine and how Boyd decided he will never be like that. We hear of a tv prank and a good deal of a tiki-culture. Already at this point my idea of Boyd starts to get new dimensions. I did not know that much of his interest in tiki and of things related. My idea of Boyd had previously been formed pretty much through some of his NON-recordings and his association with the Church of Satan. I think I am not the only one  like that. Much more interesting new dimensions to Boyd and his works is about to follow. This is getting really interesting.

We hear what happened in 1969. We hear of a Dark Shadows character who said: “Two natures have always existed in man, one good the other evil, perhaps with this we can bridge the gap in man’s divided nature”. Boyd comments on this: “And like a portal opened in my soul”. I am again reminded of the wolf’s hook rune and its essence. It is becoming apparent that the symbol has found a resonance within Boyd very early and that he has ever since worked to unfold the symbol’s mystery.

“Two natures have always existed in man, one good the other evil, perhaps with this we can bridge the gap in man’s divided nature”.

We hear of Strange paradise. We hear of Anton LaVey, Charles Manson, and Tiny Tim – how they were totally different and still much alike. We hear a story about Martin Denny. We hear a story about a man who lost his keys in Italy and found them from Florida. We hear about decadent Hollywood and its coolness. Rodney Bingenheimer. Glamrock. Principal in a nazi uniform poster prank. We hear a story about Boyd making a life size cross in high school and his work at Taco Bell – and of eating a moth there every now and then. Bean-qhr-qwr-qhr. We hear about how to make photos of things that does not exist, St. Jean Cocteau and Captain Beefheart’s nightly calls. Then Boyd tells about dada, surrealism, alchemy. I like it all, I can totally relate to what I hear. An image of Boyd as an artist starts to surface, an image that is new to me. The guy starts to get more and more interesting, minute by minute.

Boyd tells us how “women like it weird”. He tells us of his open-ended paintings, and again the wolf’s hook rune comes to my mind. The principle is there again. Skinned sheep’s head gift to the first lady is pure gold. A priceless prank, instant art performance. Next we hear how Boyd was living dada real. Steve Hitchcock illuminates us about how magic and alchemy is part of what Boyd does: “Boyd was someone who introduced me to the idea of alchemy of thought, where by you take negative or valueless proposition and turn it to your own advantage, by sort of inverted perception of it, which can be done, it takes a disciplined mind, a disciplined mentality if you want to make use of that, but it certainly is a valid principle”. Do you see the wolf’s hook and its principle at work again here? I do.

We hear of Boyd meeting Genesis P-Orridge. We hear of 1977 and the famous The Black Album, Boyd’s deal with Mute records, the birth of NON, and why punk was just glam rock with harder edge. Next we hear of something in which Boyd was again ahead of the time: Pagan muzak record that can be played with different speeds. This happened years, years ago. The first time I heard of such a record was when Butthole Surfers’ Hairway to Steven came out in 1988. Before of that I had for my own amusement listened to lots of records with different speeds – pretty much with the perspective of “open-ended paintings” of which Boyd spoke about earlier in the documentary. You can find the same thing interesting with different angles, perspectives. Things are most of the time not black and white, but composed of many colors and shades.

Who invented tape-loops? It was Boyd. He tells us how nothing in the world is fixed. We hear of “the world’s weirdest record”. We hear of the first NON show, which was “louder than Led Zeppelin”. There is a note of music as sounds, not so much as songs. Iitywimwybmad. Roto-guitar. Stuff ahead of the time. Live sounds from that part of the documentary remind me of some amazing underground noise gigs that I attended at Some Place Else in Turku, South-West of Finland around 2004 and 2005. Boyd did that kind of stuff about 30 years earlier. I find that rather impressive.

Part two: San Francisco

Part two of the movie deals with Boyd’s years in San Francisco area. We hear of Incredible strange films and research involved. Director Ray Dennis Steckler is revealed to be also actor Cash Flagg. The amazing scopitone machines are introduced. Boyd tells us of “close-ups of tits shaking a few seconds too long” and girls doing dances in bright colors. Sounds and looks good to me.

Then comes something I knew there was going to be covered, Boyd’s association with Anton LaVey. “Living in San Francisco it was inevitable that our paths would cross”. Blanche Barton tells about getting to know Boyd and why Boyd and Anton got so well along. “Role of the Devil has to be… one that challenges”. Barton also tells that Boyd also understood the trickster, prankster side of satanism… which is something that not everyone understands. Coop, the artist, tells about “making it hot for them”… and that “of course that applies to Boyd, perfectly”. We hear of Blinky the friendly hen’s funeral and resurrection. Vampire aesthetics. There is a note about romance and cultured gentleman in a vampire – and how below that side is a beast. A perfect wolf’s hook principle at work again.

Stanton LaVey, Anton LaVey’s more known daughter’s son, appears briefly in the film too. His first sentence in the film is “Boyd did fuck my mother!” which is followed with a warm laugh. He clearly has positive thoughts of Boyd. It seems that Boyd has had much warmer relationship with Zeena than I had. Back in the late 90’s and early 2000 I met Zeena few times, corresponded with her and it was an ongoing argument. Zeena and her husband Nikolas thought that I was trying to put too much love into the left hand path. They even called me “Jesus of darkness”. But that is another story.

Beth Moore-Love is an artist who I was not familiar with earlier. We see some of her amazing paintings. She says of Boyd: “He’s very intelligent. I like people who not only think outside of the box, but outside of the entire packeting industry… Boyd is one of them”. Boyd tells a chilling story of San Francisco’s Chinatown and its rats. It is very easy to believe. I lived in the city for some time in 2004 and Chinatown was one of my favorite places there. I visited it quite often and wondered about the smell of the place. Rats fit in the picture well.

“He’s very intelligent. I like people who not only think outside of the box, but outside of the entire packeting industry… Boyd is one of them”.

Next Boyd tells us how all the women who he brought to LaVey’s house had the next night a dream of having sex with LaVey. Boyd tells of LaVey’s different alter egos, the crime boss, the china man, and how LaVey could keep with a role for hours. The stories are hilarious and Boyd cracks up telling them. To readers of LaVey’s works it comes as no surprise that LaVey was living in a sort of alternative reality or realities he chose to live in. We hear very interesting angles on the subject. The famous Johnson & Smith’s catalogue is covered, and how “consternation” is the word related to it. Whoopee cushion. Remote controlled fart machine. How Anton programmed his keyboard with different fart sounds. The movie has been very fun already from the beginning, not just at this point. Barton tells how she and Boyd got Anton to record his music. It is very much likely that without them there would be no recorded music of LaVey.

Then comes the part dealing with Charles Manson. “Two minutes after meeting him he is giving me this you-are-me-and-I-am-you -routine”. Boyd tells us how Manson has one feet in the world of a fantasy, another in reality. We hear a story of Charlie telling to Boyd about taking a helicopter and visiting Ajatollah Khomeini. We hear that there are secrets Manson has told to Boyd – and which Boyd has promised to not tell to anyone while Manson is still alive (this reminds me of Boyd’s poem Secrets, with which the movie begins). Why Boyd got in touch with Manson in the first place? Why he seems to have interest in individuals who have been labeled very “sinister”? Some of Boyd’s associates gives a perspective on this: “Boyd has always been sort of attracted to those people who disrupt society in some way, that cause, that show the limitations of what we pretend to be civilized, I don’t want to put words into Boyd’s mouth but I know that’s part of what attracts him to this stuff”. I think this is a good angle to the question. The documentary gives a broad context where one can reflect on that. I think the documentary also gives an idea of the wolf’s hook rune, its essence and principle in artistic action – pursued by a questioning mind that does not see things in black and white but as “an open ended paintings”. Things are not fixed. In his pursuit Boyd is not afraid of putting himself in positions where he can easily get misunderstood. He is not so much afraid of social pressure as most of the people are.  Such a courage in looking at the human equation is hardly a bad thing. I would rather argue that seeing things in black and white is a bad thing. Finally, we hear of how Manson got into a solitary confinement for two weeks because of a bullet that happened to be in Boyd’s pocket – and how that ruined their relationship.

“Boyd has always been sort of attracted to those people who disrupt society in some way, that cause, that show the limitations of what we pretend to be civilized, I don’t want to put words into Boyd’s mouth but I know that’s part of what attracts him to this stuff”.

Then the documentary comes to the symbol that I’ve already mentioned few times, the wolf’s hook rune. We hear of the balance point between creation and destruction, “exactly the meaning that has been the guiding force in my life”. Adam Parfrey enters the picture – the guy is “on the same wavelenght “with Boyd. We are informed about the Apocalypse culture, 8-8-88 at Strand Theatre, San Francisco. We hear of the nazi accusations Boyd has been thrown with. “Boyd was not, is not, and will never be a nazi… you could take it as seriously as the Producers movie”. Anyone who has watched the documentary thus far must agree with that.  To say that Boyd is a nazi is absurd. We hear about the victim culture that likes to whine about everything. We learn of a mexican poster and ABBA-book that was stolen from Boyd (whoa – I did not know that Boyd likes ABBA. I have always liked them too. In my article “Church of Satan is dead” I pondered how much common ground I might have with Boyd. It seems there is much more than I thought). The San Francisco part of the movie ends with a story of Boyd moving to Denver. We hear why the place is cool. We hear that the building Boyd lives in was built in 1890. We hear how Boyd had a Carnival of souls welcome to Denver.

“Boyd was not, is not, and will never be a nazi… You could take it as seriously as the Producers movie”.

Part three: Denver

Part three deals with Boyd’s time in Denver and the stuff he has done since moving there. There is a recording session at Absinthe studios. Fredrik Nilsen gives another perspective on Boyd that tells of his wolf’s hook nature and approach to things: “He is a scholar of evil. He’s not evil. In fact, he’s a very sweet, loving, guy. But he seems to have an incredible knowledge of the nature of evil and he seems to be willing to chronicle and look at it in a sort of… empirical way, I’m not sure it is empirical… aesthetic way. And I think he is pretty great”. We see a footage of Boyd’s guest lecture “Regarding evil” at Massachusetts institute of technology. We hear of Oswald Mosley and his ralleys – and how his symbolism influenced Throbbing Gristle and David Bowie. We hear how Marilyn Manson (who has called Boyd his mentor) also used the Mosley symbolism after Boyd noted to him about it and about “a cross between glam rock and Nürenberg rally”. We hear about how to manipulate archetypes – how to step into a role you want to be in and how it then flows into you. There is a funny anti-fascism demonstrators talk with Boyd. After that there starts a really interesting part where Bob Larson talks with Boyd. He says with a big smile: “Bob has been working with me for the past 14 years… he doesn’t give up”. Boyd’s sense of humor is great and a watcher of the documentary is blessed with tons of it.

“He is a scholar of evil. He’s not evil. In fact, he’s a very sweet, loving, guy. But he seems to have an incredible knowledge of the nature of evil and he seems to be willing to chronicle and look at it in a sort of… empirical way, I’m not sure it is empirical… aesthetic way. And I think he is pretty great”.

We hear of the Partridge family & Partridge family temple: “Our religion is based on fun”. We hear of archetypes on TV. Giddle Partridge speaks. A story of Boyd as a catholic priest “blessing” kids rosery beads is pure prankster Boyd. Gidget Gein speaks how his idea of Boyd went up and down. The subject of social darwinism is touched upon. Another angle to wolf’s hook is given: Abraxas – an entity that is good and evil at the same time. We learn that Boyd has Charles Manson’s copy of the Bible. Bob Larson tells Boyd that “maybe you need an exorcism”. Boyd and Bob talk about paradigms of reality, good and evil. All in a very good spirit, pretty different from what it was like in Bob Larson’s radio show in the early 90’s. Boyd tells about Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard and about Lions Lair and women who got spontaneously naked for him there. We hear of Tiny Tim and his phonecalls, talk about women. Nutcase letters LaVey got. LaVey’s guns. We hear a hilarious prank that Boyd did with “Got milk?”-campaign’s billboard that featured David Copperfield. The billboard had  a picture of Copperfield’s face with some milk on his upper lip and a text saying “What’s the magic word? Calsium”. Boyd changed “Calsium” with some paint into ”Cum”. I once made a similar prank with Canal plus billboard… maybe you guess what I painted it to be? Margaret Radnick tells about Boyd’s love letters to her. Boyd’s friendship with Rozz Williams is covered. Douglas P. tells an amazing story about nazi-monkeys attacking old German men with bananas. Boyd’s bar Tiki-Boyd as an alternative reality is covered.

The talk between Boyd and Bob Larson continues. If there has been lots of interesting, even surprising turns in the film thus far, it gets even more such at this point. Boyd and Bob talk about some kind of possibility to survive death, and Boyd even tells that he nowadays thinks that some kind of reincarnation of consciousness might be possilbe. Bob comments: “You may have to turn back your Church of Satan card!” Boyd: “I tried and they wouldn’t take it!” Bob: “What happened to your old misanthropic idea of things? Obviously you must have mellowed in your hatred for humanity”. Boyd: “I’m still fairly misanthropic, I just don’t think I’m not actively misanthropic. Because I’m a very happy individual and I just find it if I treat everybody with a certain degree of civility they usually treat me with civility so generally they’ve used to people treating rotly and when somebody comes along who is nice to them it is big change for them and I gotta see the best sides of everybody if I treat everybody decently and they in turn are nice to me”. Bob says back in amazement: “Do you realize what you just said? You have just recited a part of Sermon of the Mount. You have just articulated one of the most important ethics that Jesus taught! Do unto others as you would have them to do unto you”. Bob continues: “At least you’re not at this point trying to bring back Thor and declare total war!” Boyd says smilingly: “Yea, I need to change the lyrics…” We hear “People” with improvised lyrics. The movie ends with Boyd’s poem, just like it started. The ending poem is Boyd’s Gift:

On my own

Hour after hour

Sipping cocktails

And reading Schopenhauer

Living in a world

Without imagination

I see that hope

Is a lack of information

I turn my back

I shut the door

I lock the key

A prisoner in my home

But it’s lovely to be free.

After that we hear Boyd singing Terry Jacks’ Seasons in the Sun. The film ends.

As I said, the movie is multidimensional. It covers a lot. It is funny as hell. It is thought provoking. It is surprising. It gives a picture of Boyd that one might not expect. Anton LaVey said once that “Boyd is a true iconoclast” and one cannot but agree. As it has most likely become clear, I would like to add that Boyd is an embodiment of the wolf’s hook rune, the symbol he has carried with him since his childhood.

Larry Wessel has made one hell of a film and I highly recommend it to everyone who is even cursorily interested in Boyd and his art. This documentary is a classic.

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Alan Cabal

I will never forget the first time I saw Alan Cabal. The place was San Francisco and the year was 2000 of the common era. We both participated in a certain occasion that dealt with all and everything with a great magical twist. I don’t remember what the topic of the presentation was but Alan took part in a discussion that followed it. The man was so full of energy that it was electrifying. Intense. His ideas were wild but well argumented. A bit like Robert Anton Wilson’s but much better. Someone said that Al was a guy ”who had turned into a werewolf and never turned back”. Without a doubt this referred to his intensity and not his character for the guy was smart and much more well behaved than any werewolf I had met before. Two years passed and I met the man again. This time the place was Las Vegas. He used an Area 51 mug as a Holy Grail. We talked a bit about various things and my impression of him got even better. I thought he certainly was not a werewolf but nevertheless was dangerous because he spoke so much truth, shamelessly.

I learned later that Alan was a journalist. He had written for the New York Press, CounterPunch and other publications. After reading some of his articles and exchanging some notes about politics, religion, humor and other topics with him, I thought it would be nice to make a little interview with him for this blog. So here we go.

 

Who are you, Mr. Cabal? What kind of things you’ve been doing, are doing, and plan to do?

I am above all an orphan. I may not have punctuated that correctly.

I have an impression that you know lots of things that people in general do not know – is this correct?

I do not know what the Generals know.

What do you think of the Area 51, in general? Is it just a bullshit hype of new age idiots and other losers or is there something real behind it? There are lots of high credibility sources talking about the subject, for example, within the Disclosure Project. What do you think of them?

USA stealth aircraft account for many UFOs. Incidentally, there seems to be a cancer plume eastward of Groom Lake, following prevailing winds. The evidence is largely anecdotal. The category “UFO” covers a multitude of sins in the USA, not limited to cocaine smuggling.

I’ve read and heard of nazi UFO’s from various sources. One of the more seminal ones is Jim Marrs (author of The Rise fo the Fourth Reich). What do you think, is it true that the US worked with nazi knowledge within some black budgets on UFO’s and other similar stuff?

Operation Paperclip is one of the open secrets people should be paying attention to.

What do you think of Black Projects within the US administration in general?

There is no dark side of the moon, really. As a matter of fact, it’s all dark.

Do the US black projects include knowledge of anti-gravitational power?

If they did, they’d find a way to fuck themselves up with it.

Does The US have their own UFO’s?

We have things that have been identified as UFOs on numerous occasions worldwide, yes.

Did the Nazis have UFO’s?

They had some odd things going on. It’s very difficult to sort out the disinformation on the Nazis.

What are the strenghts of the US in the current world situation ? The weaknesses?

It is cursed beyond redemption.

What are the strenghts of Europe? The weaknesses?

Your blood ties, in both cases.

Who Killed John F. Kennedy?

Ultimately Meyer Lansky and James Jesus Angleton.

What really happened on 9/11? I understand that you were among the very first journalists who wrote about the event in a way that was sceptical about the official story.

A leisure service of Mossad, Halliburton, and a few other corporate anti-Christ enterprises. The Bush Crime Family comes immediately to mind in my short list of suspects.

What is the NWO? Is the New World Order just nonsense? Or is there something real behind it?

I am the New Flesh.

Who are the most dangerous men on Earth? Why?

Darth Cheney has no pulse. Do the math. Does the name “George Romero” ring a bell anywhere? HE’S A GODDAMNED ZOMBIE, they are fucking RARE now, but the fucking things will be galloping over YOUR GODDAMNED WELL-MANICURED EUROPEAN HEDGES shrieking about their RIGHTS to bite into your BRAINS and SPINAL CORDS turning you into their feces or worse.

Who are the best men on Earth? Why?

The regular people who get through their regular days of struggle without screwing anybody else, or each other. There are quite a few women in that roster.

I have got an impression that you are very critical of the US. Why? If you could, where would you move on the planet Earth? Why?

Watch the movie POLTERGEIST. That is America. Nowhere is “safe” right now, but I think about comfort. I wouldn’t say where.

What makes you American? I feel you are in your own peculiar way very American – what is the essence of your American soul?

I was born here. I could not possibly be anything but an American. I have no discernible or traceable biological origin. It is sealed.

I have got the impression you’ve been accused of being a pro-Nazi. What do you have to say about this? Why is this the case?

Nazis and I are antithetical life-forms. That is why the Zionists hate me.

Why are you so much against Israel? Is it because they are against palestinians just like the Nazis were against jews?

Nazi is Zion spelled inside-out.

Are Americans stupid?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Has Obama brought ”the Change” he promised?

Fill one hand with shit and the other with promises and see which one fills up first.

How about drugs? What do you think of legalizing ganja? I remember that LSD once saved you from Vietnam, so I guess you have some positive angles on these substances.

People should learn about drugs. Antibiotics are not a bad thing, though they can be harmful. I avoid vaccines generally, but I did take a HepB series.

Is Elvis still alive?

I hope so.

What do you think of religiosity and religions? Are humans in some genuine way spiritual or is all of this just ”opium for the masses”? Are you an atheist, agnostic or something else?

I make my religion up in my dreams as I PROCESS the data.

What do you think of Finland?

High Elven Territory and definitely not to be fucked with, as has been PROVED.

What is the meaning of life?

Mine, or yours?

What makes you happy?

That’s a dangerous question.

If you would win the Nobel peace prize, what kind of speech would you give to the world?

“Deeds, not words.”

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