Posts Tagged ‘Finland’

kisakuvaI got an email from Mr. Methane who I interviewed the last year. He informed me about “the very first world fart championships” that are going to be held at Utajärvi, Finland, on 13th of July this year.

Mr. Methane is not going to be competing but he will be giving his own show there. You can find Mr. Methane’s and Esko “Peräsmies” Väyrynen’s videomessage about the event from here.

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Mr. Methane speaks!

The very first World Fart Championships.

The very first World Fart Championships in Facebook.

Britain’s Mr Methane set to inspire Finnish nation at first ever World Fart Championships.

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I guess everyone who knows a bit about the Finnish noise scene is familiar with Pekka PT. The man has been around for quite a while with his many projects. In the following interview you will find out about Pekka’s many projects and sources of inspiration, of what Otto Donner did during one of his gigs, what former Death In June member Patrick Leagas said about his vocals, of what is good and bad noise like, of noise scene in Finland and elsewhere, as well as of what Pekka thinks about spanking, G.G. Allin, Pekka Siitoin, toilet humour, and of many other things!

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Pekka PT speaks!

019bIf this interview could take place anywhere, anytime, real or imaginary space, where would we be making this interview?

The place where they’re waiting for Godot.

Who are you, what do you do? Could you tell us about your background, all the projects you’ve been working with and being part of? Which one of those projects has been the most important to you – or should they be considered first of all as an organic whole?

I’m Pekka PT, I’m over 30 but under 40 years old and I live in Southwest Finland. I’m underground noise musician, family man and blue collar worker.

My main project at the moment is called Sick Seed. It’s power electronics with heavy industrial leanings and some noise thrown in as well. What I do is structured, pretty much song-oriented material with lyrics that handle my different interests.

Then there’s SSRI, which is harsh noise with psychedelic and industrial elements. I felt that the relatively strict approach of Sick Seed wasn’t enough and needed another outlet for my noise doings.

The two above are a continuation of my earlier noise project Gelsomina. It started as a pure harsh noise project with an aim to make as pure and “radiant” noise as possible. Having accomplished that, or at least having worked on that as long as it was satisfying, I moved to more organic, lo-fi, industrial sounds and moods and then came a time when everything was so different it was time to shed skin and begin a new project. Gelsomina did several releases in different formats and some of them were even somewhat critically acclaimed.

Paraffin Affiliates was a free-noise improvisation band in which I played guitar. We released one CD-R album and played a few gigs.

Skullpture was another improvisation band but with more drone approach and mostly done with guitars. We did a few CD-R releases. We were and still are good friends, but as far as I remember, all the recording sessions were frustrating and very unfriendly for some reason.

Speaking of old projects, there’s Clay Figure, which was my first serious recording project. No-limits four-track experiments. This project did a few CD-Rs and tapes, started to turn into a real band and then folded, but now I’ve resurrected it and done a comeback tape and there’s more to come. There’s a chance that I might merge Clay Figure and SSRI at some point but we’ll see.

There’s also Peenemünde, which is a collaboration project of Pentti Dassum and me. Industrial noise. We have one CD out and a second one coming up sooner or later.

sickseed5I play guitar and sing in scum metal noise rock band Chains Of Death Command. It started at first some years ago and we did one tape and forgot about it. Now the band has been resurrected with slightly different line-up and we’ve released one 7” and played one gig, recording of which will be released on tape very soon. The first tape will also be reissued since it was very limited and people have asked about it. We’re currently working on new material and there are plans for a couple of split releases.

I’m a session member of Verde, which is a kind of experimental electronic krautrock laboratory. Studio and live line-ups have featured a lot of different musicians from underground amateurs like me to professional and academically educated musicians. This band is always great fun. Hopefully we can release a new CD some time this year.

I’m also a session member of Johannes Faustus, an artrock band that just released its first album and we’re starting to rehearse for (possible) gigs soon.

There are/have been some others but they’re either just beginning or meaningless past. Besides, aren’t all those listed more than enough?

Priorities of projects change, but at the moment Sick Seed, SSRI and Chains Of Death Command are the most important ones. But yes, it’s all also an organic whole. Ars Magna. There’s a lot of overlap and I often recycle sounds and ideas from one project to another.

I have an impression that your projects’ names are well thought to describe their contents – is this correct? Would you tell us something about how you came up with the different names for your different projects.

Absolutely correct.

The name Gelsomina was chosen because it was very “non-noise.” I took it from the movie La Strada, which I was obsessed with, especially the Gelsomina character, at the time.

gelsominaSick Seed was first the title of Gelsomina’s “sex noise” tape. When I decided to quit Gelsomina and move on, I felt the continuing project needed a more suitable name. At the very beginning it was very much connected to sexual frustration and deviance and that’s what the first Sick Seed tracks were about. The scope did broaden quickly, though, and now it’s more about social “issues” and personal search. Self-therapy. There’s sick seed in me that needs to be discharged before it eats me inside. There are many things around that have grown from sick seed and there are malevolent forces that sow sick seed.

SSRI officially means selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, but it also means Sick Seed Recycling Industries. Most sounds that I use on SSRI are recycled and reworked from my other projects.

Clay Figure name was taken from a pic I saw in some art book long ago. There was this installation titled “35000 Clay Figures on a Field” that had a room full of small, crude clay figures. I was first going to use that full name but luckily came to my senses. Clay is material that can be easily molded and it has this earthy quality and working results in amateur hands are often very crude, so it was perfect for what I was doing musically with that project.

On the other hand, I think all these names have started to live lives of their own, separate from their original meaning, ideas and connections.

In addition to noise releases you have put out a quality live c-tape of Keuhkot. What’s the story behind that release?

Keuhkot tape was released by Arkisto, a label that I run in co-operation with Pentti Dassum of Umpio, Nekorekords and many other things. It’s dedicated to reissues, unreleased unearthed old material and authorized live bootleg recordings. There’s not much of a story and I wasn’t personally involved in anything. Pentti had that recording and he acquired permission from Kake Puhuu for a release.

Who and what have been and are your biggest influences and sources of inspiration as an artist?

More or less directly influential bands/artists at the moment: Einstürzende Neubauten (until Tabula Rasa album), Con-Dom, Vivenza, Etat Brut, early Merzbow, latest Grunt albums, Brethren, Eric Lunde, early Swans, K2, early SPK, Brume, Nurse With Wound, early Contagious Orgasm, IRM (mostly lyrically), etc… Lots of “early” stuff it seems. Everything was better before and the first demo was the best.

My early noise influences were C.C.C.C., Incapacitants and Borbetomagus but I’m not very interested in any of them anymore.

Writers, thinkers, people, etc.: William S. Burroughs, J.G. Ballard, Philip K. Dick, Robert Anton Wilson, Samuel Beckett, Stephen Baxter, Louis-Ferdinand Céline, Aleister Crowley, Uuno Kailas, Kurt Vonnegut, Alan Moore (especially Promethea), Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman, etc…

Other things: Dada, Discordianism, Surrealism, Vienna Aktionism, Art Brut, science/speculative fiction (everything from serious/hardcore to total pulp trash), The Church of the Sub-Genius, Chaos Magick, Tarot, occultism in general, 1970s and 1980s exploitation cinema of all kinds (other cinema as well, although I’m not nearly as big a film freak as before), Gnosticism, abandoned buildings, decomposition, metal objects scraping concrete surfaces, survivalism, etc…

sickseed2What kind of instruments and equipment you use in making noise?

Anything, no limits, although I usually prefer a physical sound source. Metal junk with contact mics, synths/oscillators, effect pedals, bass, guitar, tape manipulations, anything. It often goes in phases where I concentrate on one instrument or source of sound for some time and then move on to something else when I feel I’ve got out everything I can at that time from one thing.

The only common thing with everything is that I do final editing on a multitrack software on computer.

How many gigs you’ve done thus far and where have you performed? Most memorable gigs, incidents, memories in general from these gigs?

All bands and projects combined, I’d say around 50 or a little more. Not much but there aren’t that many opportunities for this kind of music. Nor will I play just anywhere. I’ve played in pubs’n’clubs, private venues and festivals. Mostly in Finland but Gelsomina did a small UK tour and Paraffin Affiliates played in St. Petersburg once.

Most memorable gigs are Verde playing at Kaustinen Folk Music Festival and another Verde gig at a musician friend’s birthday party where we were spontaneously joined by Otto Donner. When Gelsomina played in London, former Death In June member Patrick Leagas commented that my vocals sounded like Hitler. There have been good and bad times at gigs, but luckily mostly good.

What tapes and CD’s of your own creation are available currently and where one can get them?

Sick Seed’s debut album The Great Corrupter is available from me in both LP and CD format and the label (Filth & Violence) should also have them. There’s also a tape version coming soon. Sick Seed Live + 1 tape is available from the same label as well as from me. Man And Machine 7” is available from me and the label (Turgid Animal). I don’t have copies of Elephant Man tape left but the label (Obscurex) should have. The same label also has Peenemünde CD and Unclean / ABNTR / SSRI split tape and you can get those two from me, too. Shift / Sick Seed split LP and CD are available from me and probably from label (Freak Animal) and Shift as well. I also have plenty of copies of Chains Of Death Command 7” and last two Verde CDs.

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Noise and the scene

How you listen to noise? Is c-tape the only true format for it?

sickseed6Either I concentrate on it fully or play it as background music for reading. I think noise should be listened to loud enough so you hear all the details. Listening to it REAL FUCKING LOUD isn’t necessary to me though there’s time for that every now and then. Good noise works at a reasonable volume, too, I think.

C-tape is traditional format and it’s still the most reasonable for small editions that noise releases usually are. Some noise fits better on tape, some on vinyl and some on CD. I don’t care what is “true” and what is not, especially since things described as true kvlt grimmfrostbitten are usually everything but.

How do you define ”noise”?

I’d rather not, but if forced at gunpoint, I’d say something like music, sound art or “aural object” that abandons melody, harmony and rhythm and replaces them with loud, abrasive, dissonant sound. That’s a crap definition, I know.

What do you listen to in noise?

Sound, details, interaction of different elements, composition, rhythm (not in “beat” sense). I’m not necessarily looking for originality but it certainly does no harm.

Why you listen to noise?

I like it, simple as that. It speaks to me. It interacts with what I have inside me. It’s the sound of destruction and building, decomposition and growth, full cycle, aural Alchemy.

How much you listen to noise in relation to other kinds of music you listen to?

I think I listen to other kinds of music much more than noise although it goes in phases, too. I haven’t noticed any certain times, situations or states of mind that would define what I want to listen to. It seems completely random.

Is noise music?

I think it is but what is music?

What is good noise like? What is bad noise like?

PekkaPTlive4Good noise is done because it has to be done, bad noise because it can be done. As said above, originality is not necessary but I loathe old farts who ride on their past and shit out one scene product after another. I don’t mind humour in noise unless it’s some post-modernist ironic piss-take. Good noise is passionate, bad noise is a product for target audience with no heart, brain or balls.

If one listens to noise a lot does it mess one’s ”biorhythms” and body up? Will plants die at home?

No, it heals them. Plants also, no need to water them anymore.

What are noise artists and listeners like – is it possible to make some general notes about them? How homogenous are these people in their age, style, political views, approach to life in general, etc.?

Male, 20-40 years old, background in other kinds of underground music, interest in “cultural extremes,” politically/ideologically either nihilist or into one extreme or another. That’s a broad generalization off the top of my head and there are exceptions. Education and family relations seem to vary a lot.

What do you think of the scene nowadays here in Finland and elsewhere? Where do you think the most interesting artists come from right now?

Finnish noise scene has been extremely strong for some years already and seems to continue that way. There’s a lot of variation in styles and people do their own thing instead of copying others or following trends. Most newcomers are very promising and bring something new to the table.

I can’t say much about scenes abroad since I don’t (have a chance to) follow them as closely. There’s been a lot of good stuff coming from Sweden all the time but it seems they’re now more productive and enthusiastic than ever.

You can talk about German style or UK style power electronics or Japanese noise or US noise, even Swedish sound but I don’t think there a special Finnish sound. Maybe it’ll take a foreigner to point out what it is?

I’d say everything from Finland and Sweden is worth checking out these days, with other countries there’s much bigger percentage of hit and miss.

Noise scene has its controversial elements, maybe especially in live settings. Have you been at some gigs where you were worried about the act in one way or another? Have you experienced or heard or seen of some noise act that you think did develope into something unacceptable or such? How people inside the scene approach these elements? How often artists just play with controversial elements because of shock value, how often there is some well thought points and intentions behind them?

sickseed1Some time ago I saw a performer cut a deep gash on his arm with razor blade. It looked bad (and actually needed 30-40 stitches afterward), but he just kept playing and rubbed blood from the wound on his face and equipment.

Once someone had a backing video of extreme pornographic material at an all-ages gig. I was sure there would be consequences but apparently there weren’t minors present or nobody cared. Another time someone had a backing video that showed cumshots on dead/dying rodents. That did cause some fuss, which was no wonder as it was a kind of crossover gig with plenty of unsuspecting audience.

I agree there are controversial elements but I don’t think they exist to the degree that outsiders and/or newcomers often think. It’s those elements that easily get anyone’s attention so it’s no wonder. I can’t say what’s the ratio of shock value (nothing wrong with trying to shock people, it’s just the attempts are usually in vain – most noise listeners are very much jaded) and serious content but I think it’s rather easy to spot who’s playing with taboos and controversial elements and who’s into them for real.

How are you inclined politically and ideologically? Did you vote in the last presidential elections?

I used to think I’m “Third Position,” but I’m not sure what it means anymore… I believe in individual nation states with their own customs and characteristics instead of one big consumerist multicultural sewer. No one should be ashamed of their heritage and no one is responsible of their forefathers doings. I’m anti-plutocratic, anti-globalization, etc. Most importantly anti-stupidity and anti-evil.

I did vote in presidential elections. My candidate was the one I thought would be the smallest evil. He wasn’t elected.

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What the following things and persons bring to your mind?


Finland’s true capital.




Is it freedom to (do) something or freedom from something? Either way, I doubt it really exists.


People who ask you for cigarette, get angry when you don’t have any and then pull a pack out of their own pocket.


I’ve never seen one, which doesn’t mean they wouldn’t exist.


Influential film director, thinker and magickian.


Scapegoat for things everyone’s guilty of.


We had hunting and sporting guns at home when I was a kid. I lively remember the sounds their moving parts make. The sound of authority, responsibility and respect.


Peace and relaxation.

G.G. Allin

Hero and embodiment of free spirit.


Vampire, both psychic and physical.

Nuclear war


Pekka Siitoin

Another hero and free spirit, the Great Blasphemer and True Man.


For naughty boys and girls.

Genesis P. Orridge

Once a pioneer, now something else but I’m not sure what.


Useless. Life is here and now.

Hate crime

Carnivore put it well: “Xenophobic tendencies instilled in us at birth are mislabeled racism.” I think “greed crime,” ie. economic crime is much bigger problem and root of all other crime.

Death penalty

Ultimate means for state to use its power.

Toilet humour

…or no humour at all!

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Future etc.

How your own music and approach to it has changed or developed during these years? Where do you think you are going with your music in the future?

PekkaPT5I’ve of course become more skilled and have tried a lot of different new equipment. I’m also not that interested in most extreme noise anymore, but moved towards more organic industrial sounds. I used to aim at sound that’s radiant like sun, if that makes sense, but now my ideal sound is that of decomposition and rotting, that of wood creaking, that of shoveling earth.

Starting to use vocals with Sick Seed and already in the end of Gelsomina was a big step. At that point I felt confident enough to start shouting and also that I could write lyrics that are good enough. I think I write good lyrics already but I want to become even better. I’d also like to use more varied vocals (not melodic singing though) in the future.

Can’t say for sure where I’m heading but I’d like to become better in cut-up techniques and learn to use different kinds of tape machines better. I’d also like to keep experimenting with combining noise and “real” instruments but it’s a slippery slope. I’m a guitar player at heart so I’d like to practice guitar more and utilize it more in my recordings.

How do you see the future of noise in general?

Same as its past. Art, entertainment and subculture for a small circle of people.

What kind of plans or visions you have for your distro? What kind of releases and publications we will see in the future? Do you have confirmed gigs in the future?

If everything goes well, there will be Mania / SSRI split tape and K2 tape out in February. There are more planned releases but I won’t talk about them yet lest they get jinxed one way or another. Next Arkisto release will be a Sewer Pyysalos tape (total cut-up insanity, their two CD-Rs reissued) and there are some very interesting relics waiting for Arkisto treatment so stay tuned.

pekkalive6As for gigs, there will be a Sick Seed record release party in autumn or early winter and there’s been talk of one gig abroad in spring 2014 but we’ll see. I’ll also perform as a member of Sonno Ferrum, a kind of “metal junk super band,” in May.

What makes you happy?

To crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentation of their women. That and quiet family life.

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Thank you for the interview, Pekka!

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Some related links:

Pekka’s distro Untergeschoss.

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Keikkaraportti: Live: SSRi, Umpio @ Kirjakahvila, Turku 28.9.

Live: SSRi @ Kirjakahvila, Turku 28.9. (1, 2).

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Pekka PT – Gelsomina/Hard & Obscure/Sick Seed interview.

Untergeschoss 2012 interview.

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Arkisto / Umpio / Nekorekords.

Filth & Violence.

Freak Animal.


Shift / Unrest Productions.

Turgid Animal.


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Olen missannut Death in Junen, neofolkin suuren nimen, livenä varmaan kolme kertaa aiemmin. Kun bändi saapuu Turkuun, tuntuu siltä, että tätä ei nyt enää voi olla näkemättä. Lippu onkin tullut hankittua jo hyvissä ajoin.

Totenkopf6Hieman ennen keikalle lähtöäni on Sarastuksen verkkolehteen ilmestynyt Rami Leskisen kirjoitus Eurooppalaisuuden puolustus nykymusiikissa: neofolk ja martial industrial. Ehdin vain silmätä sen ennen kuin astun ulos lumiseen ja kylmään maisemaan, tallustamaan kohti bussipysäkkiä. Leskisen artikkeli vaikutti pikaisella silmäykseltä hyvältä.

On vähällä, etten jää ulos kylmään seuraavaa bussia odottamaan, sillä näen jo kaukaa, miten linjuri starttaa pysäkiltä. Somalikuski kuitenkin pysäyttää bussin Mesikämmentä varten keskelle tietä, kauaksi pysäkistä. Sisällä bussissa huomaan, ettei mukana ole käteistä. Noloa. Sanon kuskille, että käyn pikaisesti torille päästyämme kadun toiselta puolelta nostamassa käteistä ja tulen maksamaan sitten matkan. Epätavallinen menettely sopii. Reilua.

Torilla sitten automaatti näyttää olevan epäkunnossa. Lopulta selviää, että kapistus suostuu antamaan vain 50e:n seteleitä. Sählingistä huolimatta ehdin kuin ehdinkin takaisin bussille ennen sen lähtöä ja saan maksettua matkani. Kiitän kuskia ja jatkan tallustamista kohti Dynamoa.

Dynamo on vanha puutalo. Sen narikan edessä sen pystyy haistamaankin. Lava, tai keikkakolo on merkillinen tasku, jonne ei näe n. kahdesta kolmannesta koko tilaa. Ei itse asiassa oikein siitä yhdestä kolmannestakaan, sillä lava on perin matala. Paikan feng-shuit eivät ole keikkapaikalle ehkä parhaat mahdolliset. Olinkin näistä syistä ihmetellyt, miksi keikka oltiin järjestetty Dynamoon eikä Klubille.

Minulla on mukanani Billy Grahamin elämänkerta, jonka aion antaa ystävälle lahjaksi. Paikalle on kerääntynyt kohtuullisen paljon väkeä. Bändin merchandise pitää sisällään levyjä, paitoja, patchejä ja Schwarze Sonne-rintaneulaa. En osta mitään. Tuttuja on paikalla paljon. Heitä on mukava nähdä. Ilmapiiri oli rento.

Intro vetää ihmisiä lavan eteen. Keikkakoloon on pian survoutunut sen verran väkeä, että aivan eteen ei helposti ole enää asiaa. Rumpujen taakse astelee vähäeleisesti, sanaakaan sanomatta, nokkanaamaariin ja maastopukuun pukeutunut mies, josta ensimmäiseksi mieleeni tulee Pentti Linkola. Ryhmän keulahahmo Douglas Pearce kävelee lavalle yleisön läpi shamanistisia perkussioita heiluten, siinä kuuluisassa naamarissaan, maastopuvussa.

Keikka alkaa muutenkin lievästi shamanistisissa merkeissä, sillä ensimmäiset biisit sisältävät lauluosuuksien lisäksi ainoastaan lyömäsoittimien luomaa tunnelmaa. Siinä on jotain varsin hienoa kaikessa yksinkertaisuudessaan. Juha Pentikäisen tai Anna-Leena Siikalan pitäisi olla kokemassa tämä.

Kylmä puutalo keskellä pimeää talvea. Lavalla kaksi brittiukkoa, joista molemmilla on arkaaiset naamiot ja maastopuvut. Rumpali näyttää kalastajalta ja laulaja taas muistuttaa ilman naamiotaan häkellyttävästi Eläkeläisten hanuristi Lassi Kinnuselta. Yleisö on jäyhää ja juo olutta. Talvisotaa oli tähän aikaan vuotta vuonna 1939 kestänyt noin kolme päivää. Lavalla on useampi suuri Totenkopf-lakana sulassa sovussa sateenkaarilipun kanssa.

Keikan akustinen osio ei aluksi sisällä ns. hittibiisejä. Jossain vaiheessa Douglas toteaa jotain sinne päin, kuin että nauttikaa tästä kun voitte, voi olla ettemme pääse tänne taas vähään aikaan. Tämän perään hän toteaa jonkun aasinsillan kautta, että we are feeling miserable. Yleisö taputtaa! Hivenen häkeltyneen huvittunut Douglas toteaa siihen, ettei ole koskaan kuullut yleisön taputtavan sille, että joku sanoo hänen olevan miserable. Tämän jälkeen yleisö nauraa. Douglas toteaa lakonisesti …and now they laugh at us… Hyvässä hengessä, kuitenkin.

WhiphandDeath in June ei ole koskaan ollut itselleni mitenkään erityisen tärkeä bändi, mutta jollain tavalla nämä kaksi lavalla olevaa ukkoa onnistuvat nostamaan tämän neofolkin suuren nimen pisteitä kirjoissani. Huomaan tämän siinä vaiheessa kun kuulen livenä ensimmäisen koskaan kuulemani bändin biisin, Giddy giddy carousel. Kuulin sen aikoinaan Sacred War-nimiseltä kokoelmalevyltä 90-luvun alussa.

Keikkasetti on tässä vaiheessa muuttunut sellaiseksi, että duo soittaa, mitä yleisö pyytää. Hittibiisejäkin alkaa kuulua. Meininki on hyvä. Totean, että ei tämä konsepti olisi kyllä toiminut niin hyvin Klubilla kuin tässä intiimissä vanhan puutalon kolossa.

Noin tunti neljäkymmentäviisi minuuttia kestävä setti, johon encoretkin kuuluvat, menee ohi kuin siivillä. Poistun aikataulullisista syistä johtuen paikalta ensimmäisten joukossa. Billy Grahamin elämänkerta on edelleen taskussani. Se täytyy toimittaa ystävälle joku toinen kerta.

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Valokuvat ja videoklipit Mesikämmenelle antoi Fr.V.

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Videoklippejä keikalta:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

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Boyd Rice 2012. Photo: Mute Records.

I had my first contact with Boyd Rice in the early 90’s after hearing his appearance in Bob Larson’s radio show. I wrote a letter to Boyd (there were no emails or internet in general use back then) who replied and kindly sent me a copy of Abraxas newsletter.

Years passed. The last year Boyd declared that the Church of Satan was dead. Soon after that I made an interview with Larry Wessel who had made a documentary film called Iconoclast about Boyd. At this point I was already thinking that an interview with Boyd would be great and the idea was cooking up.

Finally, after some 20 years since my first contact with Boyd, I contacted him again. He was fine about an interview to the blog and I started to make questions. The interview was made one question at a time over some two months. When the interview began I had no idea about Boyd’s upcoming gig in Helsinki, Finland – that created a whole new dimension to the interview!

In the interview Boyd talks about his current projects, the Church of Satan, Anton LaVey, Bob Larson, Iconoclast, pranks, reincarnation, Scandinavia, ABBA, Finland, architect Eero Saarinen and many other things.

Without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, Boyd Rice speaks!

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Hi Boyd, how are you doing?

I couldn’t be better. Just redecorated my apartment and painted my black walls metallic silver. It took weeks, but it’s amazing! Life is good. My girlfriend is moving in with me and we’re making room for her shoes.

If this interview could take place anywhere, anytime, where would you take us to talk?

I used to know a french scholar who had the keys to Jean Cocteaus apartment in Paris, and it hadn’t been touched since Cocteau died and this guy really wanted me to see it. That would be the fetishistic fantasy place. Unfortunately this guy got some deadly disease and ended up killing himself. So I guess my modern answer would be my own apartment here in Denver. Or perhaps The Madonna Inn.

There is a new book out from you, Twilight Man. Tell us about the book, what is it about, where to get a copy?

It is about my life in 80’s San Francisco and how I came to develop a sense of “cultural pessimism”, I guess. It hasn’t gotten a bad review insofar as I know. People find it a fun read, even though it is ugly and brutal.

You can get it on the internet or just ask God for a copy…

There is also a biography under work about you. Who is the author, when can we expect to get the book into our hands?

Nina Antonia. Her Johnny Thunders bio is being made into a movie in Hollywood, so maybe someday when I’m dead there will be a movie too. We can hope…

Talking a bit more about books, you are one of the authors who have been ripped off by Creation Books. What do you think, will there be any chance of getting “James Williamson” to court to face justice for the fraud he has committed?

I seriously doubt it.

What is the most interesting book you have read lately? Why it was interesting?

The last book I read was the Nina Antonia bio of Johnny Thunders. It was interesting because his life was interesting and because Nina’s a great writer and brings a lot of insight to her subject-matter.

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Boyd with Anton LaVey. Photo: Carl Abrahamsson.

Church of Satan

How your first meeting with past Anton LaVey went? Where did you meet, any special jokes, wisdoms, or other notes about the meeting to share with us?

Anton met me at a film festival I was associated with and invited me to his house. I went over the following week and went back every week until I left the city. The stories he told me are all in his bio, which was essentially dictated to Blanche as he told them to me.

You wrote the last year a text where you declared yourself a High Priest of the Church of Satan and in the same text you also declared that the Church of Satan doesn’t exist anymore. This naturally caused some talk. I haven’t seen any reply from the Church to you regarding the text anywhere but I guess you have been receiving some feedback privately. What kind of feedback you have received? Has Peter H. Gilmore said anything about your text?

Of course not. Gilmore is a pussy. Everyone in the C.o.S. loves me and are bored to death of him and he knows it. Anton had a very dark heart and it sickens me to see people whitewash him and present his creed as pure rationalism. He was larger than that.

Rationalism and mysticism cannot co-exist. The latter speaks to soul oriented values and to the unknown (which man is trying to fathom). The former is a conceit that lets man think he has a handle on everything (he doesn’t). I would go so far as to say rationalism is the ultimate lack of logic. It certainly has no place in “occult” doctrine.

I think it’s easy for Gilmore to misrepresent LaVey because he didn’t really know him too well. I was at the Blackhouse all the time.

I think it’s easy for Gilmore to misrepresent LaVey because he didn’t really know him too well. I was at the Blackhouse all the time. That’s why I will defend Anton till the day I die, and that’s why I take the stance I do on the modern C.o.S…

I heard from a scholar of comparative religions the last year that Gilmore works or has been working in a Walmart, in a not so high position, while holding the status of the High Priest of the Church of Satan. I think there is nothing that special in someone working in a Walmart per se, but if someone is a High Priest of a church that is, or gives an impression of being, all about “might is right” and power in this world, this seems a bit amusing. Do you know if the claim is true? What kind of thoughts this brings to your mind in general?

I seriously doubt that is true, but a lot of people with a power philosophy have to punch a time-clock, that’s just the nature of the world. At least they have the notion of rising above that and in time perhaps they will. But anyone wishing to criticise Gilmore needn’t tell lies about his job… but rather point out how he’s bastardizing ASLV’s thought.

What do you think Anton would think of Gilmore and others who run the Church of Satan nowadays? What would he say to them?

Much what he said to me when he was still alive – that they were what Stalin called “useful idiots”. He’d hate people trying to cast him in a “good light”. He often said to me that he wondered why Satanists wanted to present him as a Good Guy. “I’m not a good guy” he would yell, “I’m a miserable sonofabitch!” That’s the LaVey I knew.

And he was much darker, very much darker than anyone is willing to admit these days. He was brutal to the max. That’s why I still love him so much… he was maybe the last unapologetic figure of the 20th century.

Whether LaVey agreed or not Satanism was a cult of personality. C.o.S. sans LaVey is like fascism without Mussolini… and a cult of personality requires someone who has a personality. It currently lacks that.

Whether LaVey agreed or not Satanism was a cult of personality. C.o.S. sans LaVey is like fascism without Mussolini… and a cult of personality requires someone who has a personality. It currently lacks that.

I think LaVey’s big mistake was to violate one of his primary directives… to assume others are like unto you and capable of the same things as you are. And they’re not. Elitism is not something you should mass-market. You can of course and it will be very successful. But it will never work out. That to me, with certain notable exceptions, is The Church of Satan today. I hope this will be my last commentary on all this. And I’d be willing to bet they wish the same!

What do you think of satanism nowadays? Has it lost its potential it once had? Do you still consider yourself a satanist – or is there nowadays a better, more updated term to describe the same individual spirit?

I rarely ever “think of satanism” unless asked about it in interviews. But since you asked, I think it is fundamentally flawed in certain of it’s basic premises. I don’t agree with the primacy of individualism any more than I believe that all men were created equal. If individualism existed (which I seriously doubt) I’m not sure what function it would serve. This was an idea which had great appeal in the post-50’s decade of conformity, but has since then not produced much of value in real world terms — more especially in the C.o.S. where it is a fundamental principle. And within that group everyone dresses alike, speaks alike and thinks alike… all based on a mass-market paperback from, what, 40-some years ago?! Am I missing something?

I rarely ever “think of satanism” unless asked about it in interviews. But since you asked, I think it is fundamentally flawed in certain of it’s basic premises.

By the way, I said much the same thing to LaVey when he was still alive, and he had to concur with me. He found it rather depressing. His exact words were “I’ve created a monster”.

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Iconoclast and things involved

Larry Wessel made a lenghty documentary Iconoclast about you that came out the last year. What do you think of the film?

Four hours of me me me has got to be great by anyones standards. But again, it was an attempt to whitewash me and present me as Mr. Fun. That is part of the story, but not the whole story. But most people seemed to like it.

I noticed that you bought and used in the film some nasal snuss. What is your favorite brand? How about the regular “under-your-lip”-type of snuss that you can get f.e. in Sweden and Norway?

I like Gawith Apricot Snuff, Dr. Rumneys, & McCrystals Violet Snuff. Don’t care for chewing tobacco or dental snuff.

I also like Al Capones Vanilla Snuff, which I’ve only ever found in the Leipzig train station.

One of the things that comes to mind from the film is the great spectrum of things where you have been involved with artistically and otherwise over the years. Is there something that you still would have liked been included in the film or excluded from it?

I’m not particularly bothered either way. That film is from two years ago at least and not me or anyone remembers what was or wasn’t in it. At least it wasn’t boring.

One of the more surprising things in the film were your thougths about reincarnation – you said in your talk with Bob Larson that you consider nowadays that a reincarnation might be possible. Do you still think that way? What has made you to consider that reincarnation might be possible?

I’ve always known things that I’ve never been taught. At a very young age my son said to me “when you were a child I was a man, now I’m a child and you’re my father”. This seemed quite odd to me at the time. When I visited my fathers sister a week later I told her of this conversation, and showed her a picture of my son. She said that the strange red marks my son was born with on his nose were identical to the scars on my grandfathers nose that he got when his model T truck was driven over a cliff. This sort of thing is very common in tales of reincarnation. As a child I had very specific memories of things and places I had never experienced. When I asked my parents why I had these memories they told me they were probably only dreams, but I knew they weren’t.

I’ve always known things that I’ve never been taught.

I still think ideas like genetic memory or ancestral recall are valid, at least in some cases, but my actual theories about reincarnation are too complex to explain in a format like this.

Bob Larson is featured in the film among many other persons. Your encounter with him in the film is pretty different from the early 90’s radio shows where he interviewed you. Has your view of Bob changed during this time? Do you think Bob really believes in the stuff he talks about or is he really like P.T. Barnum, as you once stated in his radio show?

Bob has been extremely consistent ever since he published his first book, in around 1970 or something. I don’t think you can fake something like that for over 40 years. I met his father one time and he was a True Believer. Of course Bob is a showman and understands how to play his audience. So was Anton LaVey… and P. T. Barnum. Nothing wrong with that!

What do you think of teenage girl exorcists Bob has apparently trained into the job? Is Bob a little bit dirty old man or is this just about the showman part you mentioned?

I think it’s pure showmanship. But it would make a good premise for a TV show — a sort or christian Charlies Angels.

In the film you tell about some of the pranks you have done, for example the famous goat head prank. What do you consider as your best pranks ever? Who are your favorite pranksters alive nowdays?

We snuck into a good friends house and left a bottle of maple syrup in his refrigeratator. It came in a bottle shaped like an old woman, and the incident totally freaked him out. He began carrying a gun with him everywhere the very next day. But the best pranks are when you draw someone into an absurd world of your own making and your fantasy becomes their reality, even if just for a short time. Therefore, the best pranksters now are mainstream politicians because that is their full time job. They are the best, because they’re the best conmen, but not necessarily my favorites.

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Scandinavia, ABBA, Finland and the future

NON gave a live show in Norway the last year. How was it? 

It was great. A lot of people from Finland traveled there to see it and a lot came to my show at The Roundhouse in London. I am looking forward to my visit there. See you soon.

You are an ABBA fan. What’s cool about ABBA? Do you have a big ABBA collection?

I have enough obscure ABBA songs that I could put together an entire album… songs that the band didn’t really release because they considered them imperfect or too weird. But of course the worst ABBA song is better than the best songs from a lot of bands. I wanted to cover them and put out an album called ABBA LEAD (as opposed to ABBA GOLD). I pitched the idea to Rose McDowall, but she didn’t seem interested. Shame… because that could have been huge.

The worst ABBA song is better than the best songs from a lot of bands.

That is a shame, indeed! Maybe she will change her mind about the project one day… I think you would make a fabulous cover of “Waterloo” and “Does your mother know” with maybe a bit changed lyrics. What do you think of this in addition of making covers of ABBA’s more obscure songs?

Don’t ask. None of this will ever happen anyway.

You are going to have a concert in Helsinki on 6th of November this year. This is the first time you’ll have a concert in Finland. What are you expecting and hoping from your visit here? How long you’ll stay here, any places you plan to visit, etc.? What kind of associations Finland brings to your mind?

I met people in London who flew all the way from Finland to see my show at the Roundhouse, and more people in Norway who did the same. So I’m looking forward to my trip there and have wanted to see it for a long time.

I recently met the daughter of Saarinen, and found out there is some sort of Saarinen museum just outside Helsinki… I’d love to see that and anything connected with the man or his family. He’s my favorite architect.

What kind of projects you are working with nowadays? What can we expect from you in some near future?

Most of this year I’ve been working on a book of my art for a British publisher — paintings, photos, montages & graphic design. It’s nearly done. Later this year a number of my essays are coming out in Outre Journal out of Australia. I also just filmed some scenes for Richard Wolstencroft’s new film The Second Coming, which is based on the poem by William Butler Yeats. I just returned from NYC where I spent time in the studio recording some new stuff. So I keep busy…

What makes you happy?

Animals make me happy… prairie dogs, foxes, squirrels and cats… coatis, bunnies, capybaras and kiwis.

But I still love consternation. I still love pissing people off. I love knowing that my very existence causes certain people great discomfort. And they deserve it… in spades!

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Thank you for the interview, Boyd!

Boyd Rice will perform at Kuudes Linja in Helsinki on 6th of November. You can buy tickets to the concert from Tiketti. Facebook page for the event can be found from here.

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Related links:

Boyd Rice/NON official webpage.

Boyd Rice/NON official Facebook page.

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Related previous posts:

Boyd Rice live at Kuudes linja, Helsinki, 6th November.

Church of Satan is dead.

Boyd Rice: An Embodiment of the Wolf’s Hook.

Larry Wessel speaks!

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Every now and then I’ve thought if Aleister Crowley ever visited Finland. He did, after all, visit Russia. It’s not too far fetched to consider him stepping on the ground of Finland on his way to Russia. Nevertheless, mentions of Finland in books of or about Crowley I’ve read of are almost zero – and I’ve read quite a few of them over the years.

I finally came across a book that mentions Crowley and Finland. Richard B. Spence writes in his Secret Agent 666: Aleister Crowley, British Intelligence and the Occult (Feral House, 2008):

By the time Crowley left Cambridge in summer 1898, he had steered far away from a diplomatic career, the orderly life of an English gentleman, and most other conventional paths. He had become a seeker of spiritual enlightenment, and to that end a student of occult wisdom and practises. A critical early experience occurred at the end of 1896, a spiritual crisis or mysterious “calling” he experienced while visiting Stockholm. What he was doing in the Swedish capital is a mystery. British records show that Crowley received a passport on 28 December 1896, just in time for the boat to Stockholm. Curiously, British subjects did not require a passport to visit Sweden or much anywhere else. One place that did require the document was Russia, and Stockholm was a main transit point to Russian-ruled Finland and thence to St. Petersburg. Could Crowley’s “crisis” have been a tyro spy’s jitters over a pending mission?

Again, there is no solid proof about the Beast in Finland. No photos, no records of any kind to support the possibility.

Spence’s book is, by the way, a very interesting piece. When I first heard of it I thought it was some sensationalistic nonsense about “Crowley the spy” without credibility, but I have needed to correct my views on that later. I mentioned Spence’s work previously in my review of Tobias Churton’s biography of Crowley.

Some years ago there was some talk in the internet in a Finnish forum about Crowley having an illegitimate child in Finland. I’ve not heard, seen nor find anything credible to support that claim. As wild as the claim is it is not impossible either, but there is absolutely no proof for it. I regard the claim currently just a baseless claim, a wild but certainly an entertaining idea. Any thelemite in Finland would love that claim to be true, I think, but most likely the claim is just a wild idea someone got into his head and just put it out in the net.

To strech the subject a bit – It’s not unheard of that a big esoteric name would have had an extramarital child with a Finn. G.I. Gurdjieff, a contemporary of Crowley, had a child with one of his most loyal follower’s (Dr. Leonid Störnval) wife. A very interesting book by the late child is available: Nikolas de Val (Nikolas Stjörnval): Daddy Gurdjieff: Quelques souvenirs inédits. The subject is also touched upon in an academic paper that is part of the publication called Western esotericism (based on papers read at the Symposium on Western esotericism held at Åbo, Finland, on the August 15-17, 2007. Ed. by Tore Ahlbäck. Pargas: Tibo-Trading Ab. Scripta Instituti Donneriani Aboensis 20).

Well, at least some more or less thelemic stuff is coming from the UK to Finland that can be proved. Current 93 will perfom at Savoy Theatre, Finland, on 18th of March this year.

P.S. Check out also the recently published The Drug and Other Stories by Aleister Crowley. It has foreword by David Tibet, the frontman of Current 93.

A song for the day: Current 93: Earth covers earth (Mesikämmen used to have this on vinyl back in the 90’s).

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There has been a very interesting documentary called My Swastika in the making for some time now. The documentary deals with the swastika debate, investigating the psychological, sociological, anthropological and human aspects of this controversial and spiritual symbol.

I met the documentary team and spent some time with them when they were in Finland earlier this year. I had in my mind already back then that it would be interesting to interview Dominick Crowley (writer/director/presenter/executive producer) about the film. I had fascinating long talks with him and the team about the symbol and tons of things involved.

Some months passed and we stayed in touch. At some point I remembered my idea of an interview and I finally sent a bunch of questions to Dominick. The following interview is the result of those questions and Dominick’s answers 卐

Some background

Nice to speak to you again, Dominick! How are you?

I am very well since our last meeting. At the moment we are very productive in the new company that will be producing the My Swastika documentary. It is being produced by 3rd Prophecy, a film company, just formed, that will be specializing in new, thought provoking films and documentaries. We are very excited.

If this interview could take place anywhere, anytime in the universe, where and when and why there and then?

Well, without trying to predict where we will be in 23 years but I would ideally like to have this interview when I am 60, in the conservatory of my beautiful self-sufficient, country home. Why 60? Well even at the age of 37 I do not consider myself to know all the facts about this subject. If this interview had be done just last year I would have a completely different set of answers to your questions. With each year we gather new knowledge and develop ourselves intellectually, morally and spiritually. So to give better, more informed answers, in a beautiful relaxing environment, then how about my place at 1pm on the 30th of June in 2034?

For those who don’t know you, please introduce yourself. Who are you, what you’ve done and what you do currently?

I was born in central Dublin in 1974. The son of a Butcher and Hygienist (but back then they were know as Cleaners). From an early age I was attracted to Spirituality, the Arts and Orientalism. I was very much the Irish Catholic and felt a strong relationship with God. In my search to expand my spiritual education I explored everything from Witchcraft to Judaism. At 16 I had the good fortune to meet the Hare Krishna movement (ISKCON) where I was introduced to the Hindu Gods and Eastern philosophy and meditation. I was active in this faith for about 9 years until I decided to explore the more “mundane” aspects of live. I became a health fanatic and, instead of rejecting my human body, I fed it. I had an ambition to become a body builder. I trained with a very outgoing character who saw my theatrical energy and insisted I should become an actor, to which I followed his advice and ended up threading the boards, which then led to film, which then led to directing and producing. Now at the helm of my own film company, and with the culmination of my past experiences, I am producing a ground breaking documentary called My Swastika

My Swastika

What My Swastika is all about? Who will be interviewed in the film, where you have been making it? What kind of crew you’ve been making the film with? What you aim to achieve with the documentary? Is the film first of its kind?

My Swastika is a documentary that explores the Swastika symbol, the people who would like to see it used worldwide, the people who would like it banned worldwide and the mentality and psychology of both. We explore the true history, which is very absent from school books, of the symbol which debatably dates back nearly 18,000 years. We look at the Swastika Reclamation movement to see if the Swastika can be used again in the West and by what means they are using to spreading their vision. We talk to Academics who are asked to examine this movement and the goals that they wish to achieve to see if it is actually possible. We also talk to people who see this reclamation movement as something dangerous and not to be taken lightly.

So far we have interviewed people from Hinduism, Falun Dafa, Pagans and others who use the symbol daily. We spoke also to military archivists, Jewish Rabbi, a psychologist, cult buster and not to forget, the everyday guy on the street.

Earlier this year our crew and I went through Europe in search of the answers to our questions. A small crew of four people who, without being paid for their work, gave their valuable time and energy to help make this documentary happen. I think people are happy to help out so much because of what we are actually trying to achieve with this project.

With the documentary our real goal is to open peoples eyes and reveal the things which you are not supposed to know.

It is a one of a kind documentary which goes out of its way to save a burning witch from the pyre. What joy it is for a filmmaker to be able to attempt a project that will change the way we see something that we were exposed to at school and was told was the truth. To bring the real truth to the audience is something worth giving your time to. With the documentary our real goal is to open peoples eyes and reveal the things which you are not supposed to know.

Do you remember the first moment of getting the idea for the documentary? How it all got started? Was it like a moment of “Yes! This is a must thing to do!” or more like “Hmm, this is somewhat crazy idea, but it would be an interesting thing to do…”?

The moment I got the idea for the documentary was when I was sitting on the steps of Original Skin Tattoo studio with my good friend Phil Cummins. We were relaxing after filming Phil’s son tattooed him. His son was 8 at the time and the tattoo was a Swastika. Don’t worry, he was supervised at all times by the hygiene conscious Phil and his assistant Dave. Over a coffee Phil explained his passion for Swastika and his mission to reclaim the symbol. This was all very very interesting and I thought immediately that it was a worthy story to tell. Now, at that time I envisioned only a 10 minute documentary. As I researched I understood that all this info would not fit into that time duration, so I thought best 20 minutes. 2 years later and looking at all the information gathered and a documentary that is 90 mins long I still think its is not enough time.

Although there has been much enthusiasm for the film, you’ve also faced lots of challenges with the documentary, which tells that the subject is hot, if not outright tabu. Tell us about the challenges regarding funding the film, prejudices involved, getting people to the documentary, etc. You must have expected challenges in making the documentary but has it been tougher than what you thought?

Straight off the bat, one of the first challenges I had, personally, was say the word Swastika in public. When first talking to friends about the project when I first started, I would tell them what subject it was, rather the same was as you would tell a racist joke while in a public place. Very quietly. After overcoming that hurdle the next was how to present the documentary. Knowing how to word and visualize the documentary was no easy task. I knew the subject I wanted to sing about but was finding it hard to find the right notes.

Funding was, and still is, the biggest hurdle of all. We are too taboo to be associated with mainstream funders and have been put through a loop the loop with funding sites. Even just setting up an email account for the documentary was difficult. The word Swastika was seen as an unacceptable word to be used as a mail address. We first tried myswastika, rejected, the my-swastika, rejected, my.swastika, my/swastika and my:)swastika. All rejected. In the end we found myswastik@ slipped through. As a side story I even tried to create a mail address name that could be more unacceptable than Swastika. So I tried to create a mail address as c$£tf^&k%£r&&pist@hotmail.com.(censored version). It was accepted.

So far there has been no help from the industry itself and all work and funding has come through donated items to auction, Gentle Swastika Collective t-shirt sales and our own personal pleas to Swastika supporters. I have to say that one of the first people who gave a Geronimo cheer and helped us from the beginning was Dr Kevin Sisk from Canada. It is people and donations like that which helps us continue.

As for the documentary being tougher than what I thought? Yes. It has been a near Herculean task for us but has educated us on so many levels.

Talking about swastika today the discussion turns sooner or later to Nazi-Germany. How much this Nazi-angle to the symbol dominate the discussion and feelings about the symbol here in the Western world still? What does that tell about what Nazis did to the symbol and what it tells about the symbol itself?

Today, to the common Western person there is no difference between the two images. The peaceful Swastika and the Nazi Hakenkreuz. But you will be shocked to know that this is not entirely the fault of the Nazi’s. This is also the fault of Westerners! It is the continuation of a witch-hunt that happened in the 1930s and still exists today. Every day you can see movies, books, graffiti, etc. that associates the Swastika with the Nazis, and not all of it depicts the Hakenkreuz in its strict red, white and black coloring. Some depictions just show Hindu Swastika’s, Jain Swastika or even Buddhist Swastikas without understanding what they are depicting. By the West consistently associating the Swastika with the Nazis and not having knowledge of the difference between the Swastika and Hakenkreuz then, we as Westerners, reinforce their ownership of that image.

I always make the point that it is like jailing Charles Manson twin brother up for looking like his brother. We have to now start making a difference between the two. We have to identify that Charles and John Manson are not the same and should not be held for the others crime.

In Germany they didn’t, and don’t call the Nazi image Swastika. They call it Hakenkreuz. Most German people I spoke to didn’t know what a Swastika was. But they knew what Hakenkreuz was.

Swastika is innocent and is untarnished by Nazis. It is our view that is tarnished. As long as we in the West repeatedly remind ourselves of that connection then reclaimationists will have a hard road ahead.

To answer your other point quickly, the Nazis did not do anything to the symbol. Same as you don’t do anything to a lock when you put a key in it, other that open it. I don’t think the symbol has, is, or will be tainted. Rather I think our perceptions, understanding and knowledge of the symbol is tainted. I don’t see Swastika as the Godhead or a goal in itself. I see it as a gateway, a tool, a desire stone. Swastika gives you what you most desire or opens a door to your desires, but like all intentions what you get back may not be what you want and may come out in a negative rebound or expression. Nazis put impure ideals in their desire, what they got back was destruction. So Swastika is innocent and is untarnished by Nazis. It is our view that is tarnished. As long as we in the West repeatedly remind ourselves of that connection then reclaimationists will have a hard road ahead.

How much there has been change in Western peoples view and experience of the symbol since the end of the WW II? Are we as Western people still profoundly stuck with the Nazi-association or are we getting over it sooner or later? Will swastika be reclaimed back to its former glory or is it a hopeless idea?

Very little. Apart from very small pockets of post war Swastika Reclamation supporters. It was very isolated and could only gain expression amongst the ranks of artists and academics. And even then it was a taboo subject. Canadian artist Manwoman‘s appearance in the book Modern Primitives, a book that focused on the growing tribal sub culture of tattooists, body modifications and artists at that time. His bold statement of tattooing Swastikas all over his body and views on the “sacred” Swastika gave the modern reclamation movement its foundations. It is only over the last 10 years that there has been an explosion in Swastika Reclamation movement. The Internet is one main factor for this. There is change, slow but progressive. Word is definitely spreading.

I think to truly reclaim Swastika you must first reclaim its meaning. To display the symbol is easy but to display its meaning is a completely different story.

As for will it be reclaimed? As long as Westerners can’t tell the difference between what a Swastika is and what a Hakenkreuz is, and as long as reclaimationists can’t tell the difference between the symbol and the meaning, then I think it will experiences a few stumbles on its way. I see many people collecting the symbol as way of half rebellion and half hobby but only see a few core sections extolling swa-asti-ka. I try not to use the term “the fight to reclaim the Swastika” for how can you reclaim all well being through fighting? I think to truly reclaim Swastika you must first reclaim its meaning. To display the symbol is easy but to display its meaning is a completely different story.

Who are the most important persons and groups who seek to reclaim swastika? How are they doing in their cause? What people who would like to reclaim swastika can do about it?

Everyone is as equally important as each other in reclaiming the symbol. Each group is trying to reclaim their Swastika in their way and at their own time. The majority or these groups reclaim the symbol simply by using it as their faith’s, group’s or individual thinking draws them to.

Reclaiming anything takes three things. Hard data, an understanding of the information and that information in action.

I think also if people want to reclaim the symbol the best thing they can do is what I would call a 3 step program. Step 1: Read and read and read. Not just the information on the internet, but books on the subject. If your national library, college or museum has a reading room, make use of it. Find out as much information on the subject as you possibly can. Step 2: Put all the collected information into the back of your head and meditate on what you have learned. Step 3: Understand and put into practice what you have learned about Swastika. Reclaiming anything takes three things. Hard data, an understanding of the information and that information in action.

What are the most “swastika friendly” and “swastika banning” areas in the Western world currently and how that manifests?

I was recently asked if there was any Swastika Reclamation movement in the East. Not to my knowledge in any case. In the East the Swastika is as common as the Cross in the West, it is part of the everyday culture and ambiance in its Hindu or Buddhist orientated cities. You could say that these would be Swastika Friendly areas.

In the East the Swastika is as common as the Cross in the West, it is part of the everyday culture and ambiance in its Hindu or Buddhist orientated cities.

There are also some areas in Europe that are inwardly Swastika Friendly but due to its sensitive neighbours it holds the symbol and its history to them in archive only. Finland is a fine example. Stemming from the formation of the history of the Finnish air force and the artist Gallen-Kallela’s use in design and decorations for the former, the symbol holds a place in Finnish history but sadly, like the Hopi Indian tribe, dropped its prominent use in favour for discretion. Still today I have spoken to many Finns who see this symbol as part of their proud and daring history and acknowledge its relevance to their historical national identity. Germany and Poland on the other hand have pretty much zero tolerance for the symbol. In the belly of the beast, as I call the two, the image is too strong. There are so many reclaimationists in these countries though. Some come under fire and some are simply seen as anarchists.

The strangest story I have heard is that of a young boy in Beer Sheba, Israel. The police were called to his home when a neighbour saw that on his jacket was a Swastika. The boy liked a certain heavy metal band that happened to have the symbol on the album and like all kids of that age had drawn it on his rocker jacket. Now due to the fact that Israel actually does not have an exact law on this they could not figure out what to do.

How swastika is viewed outside the Western world today? How Nazi use of the symbol and associations involved have effected non-westerners experience of the symbol? Or has the symbol been more or less immune to the Nazi taint for example among hindus and buddhists in the East?

Outside the Western world Swastika is seen in a relevant context to the country it is seen in. Even by Westerners abroad. I lived in Israel and have many Jewish friends who travel to the Far East. They see Swastika everywhere and understand the context in which it is seen in those countries; still holding that fear and distrust of the symbol which has been educated to them. The youth in the West and in most English speaking are continuously brainwashed as to the Nazi connection with the symbol. The word Swastika is continuously tied to the Nazi party through literature, cinema, and political security. Swastika, in all its form, has become the Nazi party and their history in their absence. I re-illiterate that the Nazis never officially referred to their banner as a Swastika. It is the Westerners who gave it that title and it is the Westerners who tarnish the symbol and its true meaning.

I re-illiterate that the Nazis never officially referred to their banner as a Swastika. It is the Westerners who gave it that title and it is the Westerners who tarnish the symbol and its true meaning.

As for the symbol being immune to Nazi connotations amongst the Hindus and Buddhist. Has the Crucifix been tarnished amongst Christians even after its use by the K.K.K?

What have been the best experiences in making the documentary? The worst? The most surprising? The most odd? Any special stories you’d like to share?

Meeting new friends. Mr “Sponge”. What was told to me in the Hindu Temple in Warsaw. The Jewish synagogue in Dublin. You will have to watch the dvd to understand. Spoilers!

If you could go back in time, would you still start making the documentary? Has it been too much trouble, worth it all?

All I can do is what the Universe wants me to do. Even if I travelled back in time I would probably do it all over again, simply because that is what the Universe wanted me to do. As for trouble. Getting out of bed in the morning can cause trouble. Trouble is trouble, no matter where it comes from or what you are doing. So at least all the troubles I have experienced has been while doing my work with my given skills as a human being.

How has your personal relationship to Swastika changed during making the documentary? Have you started to see swastikas here and there, everywhere? Has swastika “started to speak to you”? I guess your relationship to symbol has got deeper and more personal, right? What are the angles to swastika that you personally find most interesting?

If I was to answer any of these questions I would end up giving away my conclusion in the documentary. But I will answer one question. There is not a single angle of Swastika I don’t find interesting. It really is the most interesting subject. It covers everything. Totally fascinating.

Now that you’ve been exploring the symbol, studying it, interviewing people about it, what do you think swastika is really about at its core? What is a swastika? What is at the core of this ancient and universal symbol?

I am afraid this answer must wait until people see the documentary. I will say one thing though. When I found out what Swastika is, I ended up in a intellectual daze for 3 days. Spoilers 卐


Most of the film has been filmed, right? When can we expect the film to come out? Do you plan the film to be seen at some film festivals, will it be in theaters, etc.?

90% of the documentary has been filmed. We are still waiting on certain academics to have free time, but their interviews will be slotted in when they are ready. We were actually due to release this summer, but due to financial problems we were delayed in getting to footage we needed.

We are now in post production stage and hope to be ready by January 2011. After the film is ready we will be touring Europe and hopefully further. Attending film festivals on all scales to promote the documentary. As for theaters, well this all hangs on a distributor deal. I have constantly been asked when the film is ready, when it will be released etc. Most think that the filmmaking process is, point, shoot, print and abracadabra. In reality there is a lot of politics and deals to deal with before the public ever get to see a finished film. A very tricky road. We are presently looking at distributors in China and Japan.

Will the DVD have bonus materials? Where it can be ordered?

Yes there will be bonus material. Again we can’t possibly add all material to the actual documentary but with the option of bonus material we can add a few extra treats. As for ordering. We will be taking orders by late December 2011 and will release by mid January 2012

Why should everybody see My Swastika documentary?

I wish I could give that answer. Why should anybody see anything, because they want to. I cannot push Swastika or the views of the interviewees onto anyone. All I can answer, really, is that people should see this documentary because there is no one who will stop you. And if they do stop you then all the more reason to see it.

What you will do once My Swastika is completed? Do you have an idea for the next film already in your mind?

I shall take very long break. It has and is an exhausting process and I will look forward to some time to concentrate on writing. Our next project idea is a documentary that concentrates on the subject of animal shelters and animal welfare in so called advanced first world countries.

What makes you happy?

Having two of the most amazing women in my life. My Fiance, Kasia and my daughter Kai 卐

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Thank you for the interview, Dominick! Swastika blessings! 卐

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Some related links:

My Swastika in Facebook.

My Swastika official webpage.

My Swastika YouTube channel.

Interview with Dominick regarding My Swastika on DCTV (from 14:35 forward).

My notes on the origin of swastika.

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Maailma ennen nettiä

Vuonna 2011 internet on käytännössä kaikille suomalaisille arkipäivää. Monet tämän blogin lukijoista ovat syntyneet maailmaan, jossa internet on ollut osa arkea oman elämän alusta alkaen.

Näin ei tietenkään ole ollut aina, sillä kuten kaikki tietävät, on internet varsin nuori maailmaa mullistanut asia. Muistan itsekin hyvin ajan, jolloin internetiä ei ollut, jolloin televisiokuva oli vielä mustavalkoinen, puhelin lankapuhelin, musiikki ostettiin c-kasetteina tai vinyylilevyinä, ja uutiset luettiin aamulla postilaatikkoon tulleesta sanomalehdestä. Kun toiselle puolelle maailmaa halusi lähettää kirjeen, se oli kirjoitettava joko käsin tai kirjoituskoneella, minkä jälkeen kirje oli vietävä postiin, maksettava postimaksu, toivottava ettei kirje katoa matkalla ja odotettava vastausta ainakin pari viikkoa. Sähköpostin nopeudesta ja helppoudesta ei tuolloin osattu vielä uneksiakaan. Elokuvia oli 80-luvulta alkaen ollut VHS-kasetteina, joita kelattiin, kopioitiin kahdella suurella surisevalla laatikolla, postitettiin kalliilla rahalla ja kiroiltiin nauhojen katketessa. Ja niin päin pois.

Siihen maailmaan kuului myös Pekan kovasti inhoamat Neuvostoliitto ja Kekkonen. Siihen maailmaan sijoittui myös Pekan poliittinen kulta-aika, jolloin jotkut ottivat hänet vielä jossain määrin vakavana poliittisena uhkana. Pekka oli toiminnan mies, ja hänen poliittisena kulta-aikanaan tämä näkyi mm. kohua herättäneissä vappumarsseissa hakaristilippuineen, pamppuineen, pärisevine rumpuineen ja iskulauseiden huutamisineen.

Vankilassa istuttuaan Pekka löysi itsensä maailmasta, jossa nuorempia kansallismielisiä alkoi työntyä hänelle tutulle kentälle, jossa hän oli aiemmin ollut myös kiistaton kentän keulahahmo. Aika oli kuitenkin jo alkanut mennä Pekasta ohi ja uudet kansallismielisen kentän naamat eivät välttämättä enää pitäneet Pekan ajatuksia, toimintatapoja tai tyyliäkään aivan arvossa. Internet oli osa uutta maailmaa, josta Pekka ei kauheasti perustanut.

Pekan suhtautuminen nettiin

Eräs seikka, joka hyvin osoitti Pekan olevan tietyllä tapaa “vanhemmasta maailmasta” kuin uudemman polven kansallismieliset ja natsistiset tahot, oli internetin tulo. Toki Pekkakin itselleen sivuston nettiin sai, mutta ei hän nettiä arvostanut. Nordlingin ja Koskelan kirjassa Suomen Führer (s. 185) Pekka tilitti asiasta näin:

Kysymys: 1990-luvun natsit eivät uskoneet kovaäänisiin ja lippuihin samalla tavalla. Onko 1990-luku internetin aika? Ihmiset ikäänkuin vähän perverssinä toimintana selaavat internetin natsisivuja?

Pekka: Mulla on valitettavasti se käsitys, että asia on näin… et nykyään vieroksutaan julkisia esiintymisiä. Ehkä siinä on syynä nää pakolaisten jatkuvat puukotukset tällaisia mielenosoituksia kohtaan. Ihmiset haluaa mieluummin ryypätä tietokoneen ääressä ja seurata muiden toimintaa. Se on mennyt tällaiseksi tietokonenatsipuolueeksi tää koko maailman natsitoiminta. Pikkuhiljaa tietokonenatseja maailma täysi. Parempi sekin ku ei mitään.

Kysymys: (…) 1930-luvun fasistit ja kansallissosialistit olivat kansan eliittiä. Nyt olisi aines vähän huonompaa. Oletko huomannut oman natsiurasi aikana tällaista?

Pekka: Olen mä, uskon, että väite pitää paikkansa. Aines ei nykyään ole kovin aktiivista ainakaan ulkotiloissa. Toiminta on keskittynyt enemmän sisätiloihin, tietokoneisiin ja baaritoimintaan. Sit mä olen huomannut sen, että kun meiltäkin tilataan hakaristipaitoja – joita menee hyvin kaupaksi, melkein joka päivä – kaikki natsit ku tilaa paitoja tilaa koon XXL. Eli tästä tulee se mieleen, että olutta kuluu ja kinkkua menee. Ollaan tällaisia ylipainoisia niinku sikanatseja nykyään. Kotinatseja. Ei ole puoleen vuoteen tilattu XXXL-kokoa pienempää paitaa. Se on semmoisia 20 kiloa ylikiloisia natseja koko maailma täysi. Ajattele ku ne joutuu johonkin sotaharjoitukseen ni nehän saa infarktin jo sadan metrin juoksun jälkeen.

Pekan nettisivut

Jonkun aikaa sitten yllätyksekseni huomasin, että Pekan alkuperäiset nettisivut löytyvät vieläkin arkistoituina netistä. Arkistoinnin takana on Olavi Koskela, joka toimi Pekan joukoissa 90-luvulla. Koskela on lisännyt arkistoituun versioon “IN MEMORIAM 1944-2003” otsakkeen. Suomen Führer-kirjan mukaan (s. 160) Koskela myös laittoi Pekan alkuperäiset nettisivut pystyyn vuonna 1999.

Sivut ovat pystyssä lähes alkuperäisessä muodossaan. Sivujen taustamusiikkia (Die Fahne Hoch ja Finlandia-hymni) ei ainakaan oma koneeni enää toista, mikä on selvin äkkiseltään huomattava ero alkuperäisiin sivuihin. Alkuperäisillä sivuilla oli myös jotain muutakin taustamusiikkia sekä sivu, jolta sai tulostaa Pekan käyntikorttia.

Pekan sivuston ensilehdellä on Pekasta tuima kuva, joka on otettu Naantalin rannassa. Sama kuva päätyi sittemmin jo edellä mainittuun Nordlingin ja Koskelan kirjan Suomen Führer kanteen. Alla, mielenkiintoisesti valittua pinkkiä taustaa vasten, seuraa valtakunnanjohtajasta perustietoja englanniksi:


Born 20’th May 1944


Preliminary School 8 years
Business School 3 years
Former Military Rank Sergeant
School of Acting 4.5 years

Results of Self Studies:

Photography, Video and Movie making
Business Strategies
Occultism & Black Magic
Political Ideologies

Siitoin Company

Consists of several other Companies. Leader and owner of all of those companies concerned.
Other Information

Leader of NSDAP since 1976 (in Finland KDP)
Father of six childs, with three different women, youngest son 3.5 years old (as of 1997).
Engaged ca 50 times
Divorsed 1979
800 different womens involved.
Written 14 books about Politics and Black Magic
Spent around 3.5 years total in Prison, mainly for political reasons.
Been around 30 times in TV, over 100 times in Radio, in over 1000 different articles in different Papers. Speaked for Rasism and for KDP.


Chasing ‘girls’

E-mail: valtakunnanjohtaja@yahoo.com

Vasemmasta sivupalkista löytyvät omat sivunsa seuraavista aiheista: Kuva kokoelma, Materiaalia, Rautaristi, Puolueohjelma, Hitler oli oikeassa, Propaganda Gallery, Yhteiskunnallinen kehitys, Suomi suomalaisille, Algumas palavras do “outro lado”, sekä Lehtileike.

Kuvakokoelmasta löytyy seuraavaa:

Materiaalia-sivulta löytyy listaa äänitteistä, kirjoista, tarroista, hakaristi-pöytälipusta ja käsivarsinauhasta, yms. tavarasta, jota Pekalla oli myynnissä. Mukana oli äänitteitä Pekan ja porukoittensa omistakin esiintymistä, haastatteluista, yms. tuotannosta: Puistopropagandamarsseja Turussa -77, osa 9., Isänmaa ja vapaus, Pekka Siitoin puhuu + paneeli, osa 12., Siitoin ja IKR radiossa 9.5.1977, osa 14, Turun tekn. koulun yliop.yhd.haast. P. Siitointa 13.10.-77, IKR TV:ssä 21.10.-77 (äänitys), Radio-Cityn Siitoin haastattelu 4.10.-85 (tosi hyvä), KDP:n sekalaisia radio-ohjelmia, osa 34. Nauravat natsit, KDP:n oma improvisaatio yhtye (suosittu). “Kasettien pituudet ovat 60-90 min. ja kaikkien hinnat ovat 60 mk/kpl.”

Näin jälkiviisaana ei voi kuin todeta, että nämä äänitteet olisi kannattanut ostaa kaikki. Tai ainakin legendaarinen Nauravat natsit -kasetti, jota nykyään ei löydy mistään.

Rautaristi-sivulta löytyy pari kuvaa Pekan KDP-ryhmän äänenkannattajasta.

Puolueohjelma-sivulta löytyy nimenmukaisesti puolueohjelma, joka on tässä blogissa jo aiemmin julkaistu kokonaisuudessaan. Ohjelman lisäksi sivulta löytyy erinäisiä kuvia, mm. Pekan käyntikortista. Lopuksi listataan “ohjeita kansallis-demokraattisen puolueen jäsenille ja kannattajille kautta maan”:

1. Pitäkää huolta ulkoisesta olemuksestanne. Käyttäytykää asiallisesti ja pukeutukaa siististi. Muistakaa, että lyhyet hiukset ovat muotia KDP:ssä.

2. Pitäkää itsenne hyvässä fyysisessä ja psyykkisessä kunnossa. Harrastakaa liikuntaa ja pitäkää painonne kurissa.

3. Välttäkää päihteiden väärinkäyttöä. Syökää terveellisesti. Pysykää kokonaan erillään huumeista.

4. Kunnioittakaa ja totelkaa esimiehiänne puolueessa. Älkää hankkiko itsellenne turhia vankeustuomioita.

5. Pitäkää aktiivisesti yhteyttä aatteen kannattajiin ja puolueen jäseniin kautta maan.

6. Tukekaa toimintaamme tukiostoilla ja myykää tuotteitamme ja materiaaliamme eteenpäin.

7. Suorittakaa asepalveluksenne ajoissa (miespuoliset) ja pyrkikää, jos mahdollista, upseerikoulutukseen. Siitä on hyötyä KDP:ssä.

8. Älkää luovuttako salaista tai arkaluontoista tietoa puolueen ulkopuolelle. Varokaa soluttautujia ja kätyreitä.

Hitler oli oikeassa -sivulla on Pekan tykitystä aiheesta:

Näin on. Tämä uuden ajan poikkeuksellinen hahmo oli todellakin oikeassa!

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän nosti ihanteeksi arjalaisen totuuden torjumaan vierasperäistä korruptiota ja valheita.

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän palautti uudelleen ikuiset lait, jotka maailma oli unohtanut.

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän vastusti sairasta materialismia, niin kommunismissa kuin kapitalismissakin.

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän antoi nälkäiselle ja nöyryytetylle kansalle työtä ja leipää ja nosti ylös.

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän näytti ihmiskunnalle paremman tien.

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän antoi maailmalle näyn jalommasta maailmasta.

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän pyrki rauhaan Euroopan ja maailman kansojen kesken.

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän taisteli vallitsevia vääryyksiä vastaan oikeuden ja totuuden puolesta.

Hän oli oikeassa, kun hän antoi henkensä paremman maailman puolesta.

Todellakin. Hitler oli oikeassa! Eikä ainoastaan ollut oikeassa, vaan on edelleenkin. Hänen sanomansa rodullisesta ihanteellisuudesta on yhä ajankohtainen ja ravitseva yhä tänäänkin, kuin se oli sitä ensi kerran julistettaessa.
Mikäli koet samoin, me kutsumme sinut liittymän hänen ajattoman asiansa puolelle.

Propaganda gallery pitää sisällään kuvia Natsi-Saksan propagandajulisteista, kuvan Olavi Koskelasta perheineen (“Aryan Gross family Koskela in Finland 1999” – “Gross” pitäisi varmaankin olla muodossa “Cross”?), sekä leikkaa-ja-taita -kuvia perheen pienimmille.

Yhteiskunnallinen kehitys -sivu sisältää Pekan tykitystä aiheesta CAPS LOCK POHJASSA:

Kestävä kehitys sekä tehokas ja järkevä maailmanpolitiikka


Tehokkaan yhteiskunnan puolesta rappiodemokratiaa vastaan




Suomi suomalaisille -sivulla Pekka vetää tästäkin asiasta linjansa selväksi CAPS LOCK POHJASSA:

Talvi- ja jatkosodan taistelijat olivat kansallissankareita





Sivua koristaa mm. Mannerheimin kuva, lisäksi hehkutetaan “valkoista valtaa”.

Algumas palavras do “outro lado” -sivulta löytyy materiaalia espanjaksi ja portugaliksi. Francon fanitus on selvää.

Lehtileike -sivulta löytyy mainokset australialaislle News Digest Internationalle sekä amerikkalaiselle The Trurth At Last:lle.


Kuten yllä tuli esille, ei Pekka erityisemmin pitänyt siitä, miten 90-luvulla kaikille tutuksi tullut internet vaikutti kansallismielisen kentän toimintaan. Hän piti nettinatseja huonokuntoisina, ylipainoisina ja viinaanmenevinä virtuaalikurkistelijoina, ei oikeassa maailmassa toimivina hyväkuntoisina aatteen miehinä, jotka teoillaan todistaisivat seisovansa sanojensa takana. Paradoksaalisesti myös Pekan itsensä kunto oli nettiajan saapuessa päässyt sitten 70-luvun romahtamaan, paidannumero parilla koolla suurenemaan, ja viinanjano huomattavasti kasvamaan. Toki on huomattava, että tästä huolimatta hän tämän tästä järjesti jotain numeroa itsestään neljän seinän ulkopuolellakin, univormussa esiintyen, lippua liehuttaen, natsitervehdystä tehden, haastatteluja anten, mitä milloinkin tehden. Nettinatsiksi hän ei koskaan muuttunut.

Kun ottaa huomioon, miten lyhyt historia internetsivuilla voi olla, miten nopeasti tekstit voivat netistä kadota jne., on pienimuotoinen ihme, että Pekan nettisivut ovat edelleen pystyssä, lähes alkuperäisessä muodossaan. Pekan elinajalta ei ole enää Naantalin Krappula-asuntokaan entisellään, vaikka olemassa se edelleen on. Vehmaan huvila on purettu vuosia sitten. Paradoksaalisesti virtuaalimaailmassa, josta Pekka ei perustanut ja jonka ääressä hän ei liikaa itse kököttänyt, on nykyään kaikkein eniten entisellään oleva Pekan elämän aikainen viitepiste maailmassa; hänen kotisivunsa. Niillä kannattaa käydä, jos Pekan elämä ja teot kiinnostavat syystä tai toisesta.

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