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Ladies and gentlemen, legendary the Mentors speak out!

For the beginning

If this interview could take place anywhere, anytime, where would we be doing this interview? What would be in your glass?

That is a great question! I am a student of history and so there are a lot of places and times from the past to choose from. I think doing the interview at a Roman orgy with Caligula with some nice wine in my glass would be a fun thing to do. Or at some location like the War room with Prime Mister Churchill during WWII with some brandy.

For those who for some odd reason don’t know about the Mentors, how would you describe the band? What are the Mentors all about?

The Mentors are a band that started in 1976 by myself (Steve Broy, aka Dr. Scum), El Duce (Eldon Hoke) and Sickie Wifebeater (Eric Carlson). We play heavy rock and roll with lyrics mostly about sex and other controversial topics. We started to do this when people sang about stupid things and also the music people played in many cases wasn’t that good also.

What do you think of heavy metal band nowadays?

Its is not as good as it was. There is too much de-tuning for my ears. The few good bands out there are old men. Music changes as time goes on and what sounds good to the young people does not sound good to the old people in most cases. I’m not young now, I am 56 years old and my taste is not what the kids listen to these days so much.

Who are the best and the worst put under that label and why?

The best heavy metal bands are Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Van Halen in my opinion. There have been many other good ones also besides these three. Kiss is a good band. As far as what is the worst heavy metal band, there are some ones not so good, but the worst heavy metal band is still far better than the best hip hop/rap act. So even bands I used to hate in the 80’s now I would listen to since there is nothing else right not. I never myself cared much for Twisted Sister or Def Leppard. However, I do not want to criticize any band, especially any rock band right now, because there are so few of them.

How you came up with the executioner hoods?

hoodsIt was the idea of our first drummer, El Duce, who liked horror movies, there was a movie called Mark of the Devil that he loved that showed men in hoods doing bad things. He thought this was great and wanted out band to wear hoods.

Have members of the KKK commented on your hoods at any time?

Yes, some Nazis and KKK people think we are with them because of this. Which we are not. The band is not a racist band and we have black and jewish friends. I don’t like racism I know some people who were big racists who grew out of it. Lets face it, the music we play came from black music, from black gospel church music. That is where rock and roll came from. So if you play rock music and you are a racist, you are maybe not knowledgeable.

What kind of ideas for live shows you’ve thought about that you haven’t manifested – maybe just yet?

Well, the budget for our shows is limited and so we do the best we can with no money. It would be nice to have sex on stage with some nice looking girls during a drum solo. Which has happened a few times.

How is the band politically inclined? Clearly, you are not conservatives and that you are politically incorrect in many people’s eyes. Do you vote? Who have you voted? What do you think of politics in general?

I can’t speak for the other members of the band; I don’t know what they think on this topic. Generally I am not with the conservatives since they usually don’t want people to have sex, watch porno, or smoke pot, plus they want to have wars. So I am for the political parties that are in favor of sex, drugs and not having war. I do vote and usually I would vote for the Democratic Party, which is left wing in USA. There is a philosophical difference between the right wing party and left wing, in which right wing claims they want to reduce taxes and government regulations. But the right wing party also wants people to go to jail for smoking pot and having sex, which I do not agree with. I do not like paying high taxes myself but I realize we have to pay something to the government.

I suppose you, as the kings of sleaze, watch porn. Favorite movies, magazines or actresses? Do you collect porn?

I like the Dirty Debutante series of porno movies by Ed Powers.

What are the best strip clubs around over there?

I am not so much into going to strip joints since the women try to strip the money from my wallet while they strip off their clothes. My wife used to be stripper though. I met her at the Ivar Theatre in Hollywood where El Duce worked as the light man and announcer. I like to watch nice ladies dance and strip to rock music but now they do not do that, it is rap music, and that is not good for me.

What are real men and women like?

To me real men and real women are people you can have an interesting conversation with. I like meeting people. When I was young I was very shy and would not talk to anybody but now I am very outgoing and friendly and enjoy people.

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The El Duce years

elduceWhat was El Duce like? What he was like in person, in private?

El Duce was known to the public as a very funny and friendly person who like to drink alcohol. In private he struggled with being an alcoholic and tried to quit many times. Drinking too much is what led him to an early grave. He was a fantastic musician and loved to listen to music. He was somebody that had many friends, and was always fun to be around.

During the El Duce years the band appeared in the Jerry Springer Show and Hot Seat with Wally George. The interviews are now legendary. What happened outside of the camera? How were Jerry and now past George off the camera?

The Wally George interviews were fake, since Wally met with the band before the show and discussed with us what would be said once the show started. Wally was a very nice man. On camera he took on a different personality.

Can you tell us about some previously unheard stories about El Duce?

I’m saving the best ones for my book, a biography of El Duce, coming out in early 2015, called El Duce, The Truth is Funnier than Fiction.

In the mid 1990’s, El Duce claimed that Courtney Love had offered him $50,000 to kill her husband Kurt Cobain, whose death was ruled a suicide. What’s the truth behind all of this?

This is not true, it was a made up story to sell magazines. El Duce was paid to say this. But because Courtney love is so crazy, people think it is true. Even her own father used to call El Duce to discuss this with him.

How many replies you got to ”the dream date contest”? How people reacted to it?

Woman are dumb, but not that stupid. Nobody applied for this.

What is El Duce’s place in the history of rock ‘n’ roll?

You know, only the people in the future can say that. I think myself he did quite a bit to change the nature of lyrics use in rock music. We sang about topics that up until that time, nobody else would sing about. El Duce, myself and Sickie set our goal to become a great band, whose music would stand the test to time and outlive us all. Unfortunately when you set a goal like that, there is no way to know if you succeed or not.

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After El Duce

mentors2How the band has changed after El Duce passed away?

We have kept going and keep doing new music. There is a big change of course because El Duce is not writing most of the lyrics. His lyrics were very good and it is hard to write lyrics as good as he did.

PMRC and some others have expressed bad feelings about your lyrics over the years. What are the highlights of this kind of actions thus far? Was it reading of Golden showers on the congressional floor? Do people and organizations give this kind of critique mostly online or do they have courage also to give the feedback in person?

Oh, some people will tell us to our face we are terrible. But over the years, people has sort of have gotten used to us, and maybe we are not as shocking as we once were. We didn’t invent Golden Showers; people were doing this kind of thing before the Mentors.

You have released eight albums thus far. Which one you consider your best and why?

Well we have done 8 Mentors albums, plus I have done a number of solo albums and also albums with El Duce and myself. I love them all; it is really hard to pick a favorite one. Maybe my favorite is El Duce/Booze and Broads.

What does the Mentors backstage rider include?

Red Wine, Perrier Water, and pizza usually.

What kind of groupies do the Mentors get nowadays? What kind of women are the Mentors fans?

Well, I am married so I’m not doing the groupie thing, but we do have women fans who are very nice. Some of them want to have sex with the band for sure. I have found that smart nice women are Mentors Fans and they show good taste in men by wanting to have sex with Mentors. They might have sex with the other guys in the band.

The wildest live shows you have done thus far? What have happened?

We have been playing shows for close of 40 years, so many crazy things have happened. Sex on stage, sex backstage, people in the band passing out, vomiting and fighting with each other. People getting stabbed, and killed. Many horrible things and many nice things also.

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The Future

dirtyrottenpervertsWhat kind of future plans does the band have? New album in making? Are you going to Europe at some point? Have you been asked to play here in Finland yet? What kind of thoughts Finland brings to your mind?

Well, I don’t know about the Mentors album. I would like to do that, we will see. I write songs all the time and record them and release them, whether it is with Mentors or my solo band. I will be releasing a new solo album very soon, called Dr. Heathen Scum/Going Off Half Cocked.

As far as Finland, yes we want to play there. Maybe our dream will come true to play Finland in 2015. For anybody that wants to talk to me about it, write me at sbroy@aol.com or our booking agent Keith at keith@shredheadinc.com

Have you ever heard of Pekka Siitoin, a past Finnish devil worshipping neo-nazi cult figure and the national king of sleaze who wanted to be the first Finnish person to have sex with an space alien woman, who claimed to have had sex with over 800 women, and who did have sex in front of his followers, who made first amateur porn movies in the country, who appeared in numerous Finnish men’s magazines over the years and who called himself ”rivologi” (that roughly translates into ”pervologist”)?

No I did not hear about this person. He sounds interesting. I will look into it.

If you could pick any artist or band to play with you, who would you like to warm up for your gig?

Well, normally I don’t watch the opening bands at our shows because I’m not so interested. I like many bands however, the great rock bands, Led Zep, Stones, Iggy and the Stooges, Slade, the list can go on forever. If I had to pick one quickly, I would say The Rolling Stones.

There are some documentaries about the band done. Which one of them is the best thus far? Are there new ones in making?

To be honest, I’m not aware of any full-length documentaries on our band. We are making one right now with a lady named April Jones. You can see a trailer for it on YouTube. Search The Mentors Rockumentary.

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Mesikämmen thanks Dr. Scum of the Mentors for the interview!

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Mr. Wonderful.

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I was exchanging few words with my friend Larry Wessel about the kings of sleaze, the Mentors, yesterday. If you don’t know it already, Larry has directed a film about the band, Hollywood Head Bash, in 1991.

During our exchange Larry shared with me a great, funny little story that he has not shared anywhere in public before. It’s a story about the Mentors’ legendary El Duce (1958–1997), “Mr. Wonderful”. The story is published here with Larry’s kind permission.

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Mr. Wonderful

by Larry Wessel

hollywoodheadbashBack in the early 80’s I liked to spend my afternoons in Hollywood at The Ivar Theater with my friend Eldon Hoke popularly known as El Duce, the leader of the “rape rock” band, the Mentors. I’ve hung out in the worst of Tijuana’s Zona Rosa Pleasure Palaces but to this day, The Ivar Theater remains the sleaziest strip joint I have ever been to. One night a week was “camera night” and I used to enjoy shooting photographs of the strippers there with my Nimslo 3D camera. My eyes would water from the perpetual reek of Pinesol and I had to make sure to toss plenty of one dollar bills onto the stage or “Mister Cannonball”, the Ivar’s 500 pound black bouncer would gently tap me on the shoulder.

El had a day job there as “Mr. Wonderful”. Perched up high in the projection booth, Mr. Wonderful would lean in to his microphone and introduce each “exotic dancer” as she waited behind the red curtains to enter the stage. These were the ugliest strippers I have ever seen! Ghostly pale, bruised Hollywood street walkers with black eyes, broken teeth and arms covered in track marks and tattoos. The audience for this spectacle was 7 or 8 Japanese businessmen in beige raincoats nursing warm half empty glasses of beer. A blood curdling screech of white feedback noise would blast out from the Ivar’s broken speakers… Mr. Wonderful would then deliver his extravagant ballyhoo to the horny rubes… “Pre-pare to Pitch a Pup Tent in your Pants gentle-men…put your hands together… and give a warm Ivar welcome to the lovely Linnnnnn Dahhhhh!!!!”.

He would then push the play button on a cheap plastic ghetto blaster covered in duct tape and cigarette burns and wired to the Ivar’s antique public address system. The deafening onslaught of Deep Purple’s Smoke on the water was now the soundtrack for the lovely Linda as she seductively stumbled out into the spotlight in her six inch stilletos. While she was doing her dirty dance, El and I would pass a joint back and forth waiting for the song to end. Two more songs, two more lurid Linda dance routines and Mr. Wonderful would introduce the next one in line. “Alright gentleman, you might want to repair to the lobby for a cigarette now because the next one up is REAL ugly! How ugly? Well let me put it this way… she is a two bagger. What is a two bagger you ask? A two bagger is when you are fucking her, you put a bag over HER head AND a bag over YOUR head in case HER bag breaks! Without any further ah doo…here comes the incredibly FUG-LY No-reeeeen!”

It was showtime folks and once again Mr. Wonderful taps the play button. Mountain’s Mississippi Queen vibrates the old and sagging cum stained seats as Noreen enters the stage, black Maybelline teardrops rolling down both of her acne scarred cheeks. After Noreen’s three numbers are concluded and she slowly stoops down to pick up a wadded up one dollar bill, the house lights are turned off and Mr. Wonderful flips the on switch of a 16mm movie projector. A grainy purple and pink hued, faded and scratched up print of an old xxx rated fuck reel is projected onto the Ivar’s movie screen.

Mr. Wonderful lights up another joint and passes it to me. The Ivar Theater is now permeated with the echoing sounds of lustful moaning orgasms as my pal Eldon Hoke looks at me and smiles, “Thanks for comin’ up here to visit me man! I have a great idea Larry, we should be co-anchors on our own nightly news program. Everytime there is a fatal car crash or someone gets murdered we would both start laughing uncontrollably!” I agreed with him. I totally agreed.

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Hollywood Head Bash

The year was 1991. The video begins late at night in the parking lot behind Raji’s nightclub in Hollywood. El Duce holds court with English Frank and Rev. Bud Green. Eldon and English Frank reminise about the “peanut butter and apricot brandy incident”. The party moves from the parking lot to backstage where El can be observed sampling the goodies being offered by a tattooed and pierced punk rock hottie! A wee bit later El dons a rubber Adolph Hitler mask and sieg heils the crowd before donning the black hood and launching into Peeping Tom with a killer guitar solo by Sickie Wifebeater. Golden Shower is played next by request.

I sat on the floor at the foot of the stage tilting the camera upwards for great close-up shots. It is during their third song, When you’re horny, you’re horny that an a-hole wearing a kilt and a pair of steel-toe combat boots lept off the short stage and booted me in the face, smashing the microphone off the camera and knocking the camera out of my hands and onto the floor. The remaining two minutes of the film is me, blood streaming down my face looking for the s.o.b. that sucker-kicked me. I was so pissed off and traumatized by this incident that I never showed this video to anyone…until now.

To all who miss the master of rape rock I highly recommend this amazing video, a priveleged peek into the past… a “must have” for all the fans of the one, the only, El Duce.

“The video Hollywood Head Bash is killer!” – Dr. Heathen Scum, The Mentors.

41 Minutes Color DVD (Region 1) $25. Each DVD is signed and numbered by Larry Wessel. Each DVD is packaged and mailed in it’s own protective bubblewrap mailer. Each DVD is available within the U.S. for $25 (postpaid). Other countries: $30 (postpaid).

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See the trailer for the film here! Order your copy from here!

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I guess everyone who knows a bit about the Finnish noise scene is familiar with Pekka PT. The man has been around for quite a while with his many projects. In the following interview you will find out about Pekka’s many projects and sources of inspiration, of what Otto Donner did during one of his gigs, what former Death In June member Patrick Leagas said about his vocals, of what is good and bad noise like, of noise scene in Finland and elsewhere, as well as of what Pekka thinks about spanking, G.G. Allin, Pekka Siitoin, toilet humour, and of many other things!

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Pekka PT speaks!

019bIf this interview could take place anywhere, anytime, real or imaginary space, where would we be making this interview?

The place where they’re waiting for Godot.

Who are you, what do you do? Could you tell us about your background, all the projects you’ve been working with and being part of? Which one of those projects has been the most important to you – or should they be considered first of all as an organic whole?

I’m Pekka PT, I’m over 30 but under 40 years old and I live in Southwest Finland. I’m underground noise musician, family man and blue collar worker.

My main project at the moment is called Sick Seed. It’s power electronics with heavy industrial leanings and some noise thrown in as well. What I do is structured, pretty much song-oriented material with lyrics that handle my different interests.

Then there’s SSRI, which is harsh noise with psychedelic and industrial elements. I felt that the relatively strict approach of Sick Seed wasn’t enough and needed another outlet for my noise doings.

The two above are a continuation of my earlier noise project Gelsomina. It started as a pure harsh noise project with an aim to make as pure and “radiant” noise as possible. Having accomplished that, or at least having worked on that as long as it was satisfying, I moved to more organic, lo-fi, industrial sounds and moods and then came a time when everything was so different it was time to shed skin and begin a new project. Gelsomina did several releases in different formats and some of them were even somewhat critically acclaimed.

Paraffin Affiliates was a free-noise improvisation band in which I played guitar. We released one CD-R album and played a few gigs.

Skullpture was another improvisation band but with more drone approach and mostly done with guitars. We did a few CD-R releases. We were and still are good friends, but as far as I remember, all the recording sessions were frustrating and very unfriendly for some reason.

Speaking of old projects, there’s Clay Figure, which was my first serious recording project. No-limits four-track experiments. This project did a few CD-Rs and tapes, started to turn into a real band and then folded, but now I’ve resurrected it and done a comeback tape and there’s more to come. There’s a chance that I might merge Clay Figure and SSRI at some point but we’ll see.

There’s also Peenemünde, which is a collaboration project of Pentti Dassum and me. Industrial noise. We have one CD out and a second one coming up sooner or later.

sickseed5I play guitar and sing in scum metal noise rock band Chains Of Death Command. It started at first some years ago and we did one tape and forgot about it. Now the band has been resurrected with slightly different line-up and we’ve released one 7” and played one gig, recording of which will be released on tape very soon. The first tape will also be reissued since it was very limited and people have asked about it. We’re currently working on new material and there are plans for a couple of split releases.

I’m a session member of Verde, which is a kind of experimental electronic krautrock laboratory. Studio and live line-ups have featured a lot of different musicians from underground amateurs like me to professional and academically educated musicians. This band is always great fun. Hopefully we can release a new CD some time this year.

I’m also a session member of Johannes Faustus, an artrock band that just released its first album and we’re starting to rehearse for (possible) gigs soon.

There are/have been some others but they’re either just beginning or meaningless past. Besides, aren’t all those listed more than enough?

Priorities of projects change, but at the moment Sick Seed, SSRI and Chains Of Death Command are the most important ones. But yes, it’s all also an organic whole. Ars Magna. There’s a lot of overlap and I often recycle sounds and ideas from one project to another.

I have an impression that your projects’ names are well thought to describe their contents – is this correct? Would you tell us something about how you came up with the different names for your different projects.

Absolutely correct.

The name Gelsomina was chosen because it was very “non-noise.” I took it from the movie La Strada, which I was obsessed with, especially the Gelsomina character, at the time.

gelsominaSick Seed was first the title of Gelsomina’s “sex noise” tape. When I decided to quit Gelsomina and move on, I felt the continuing project needed a more suitable name. At the very beginning it was very much connected to sexual frustration and deviance and that’s what the first Sick Seed tracks were about. The scope did broaden quickly, though, and now it’s more about social “issues” and personal search. Self-therapy. There’s sick seed in me that needs to be discharged before it eats me inside. There are many things around that have grown from sick seed and there are malevolent forces that sow sick seed.

SSRI officially means selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, but it also means Sick Seed Recycling Industries. Most sounds that I use on SSRI are recycled and reworked from my other projects.

Clay Figure name was taken from a pic I saw in some art book long ago. There was this installation titled “35000 Clay Figures on a Field” that had a room full of small, crude clay figures. I was first going to use that full name but luckily came to my senses. Clay is material that can be easily molded and it has this earthy quality and working results in amateur hands are often very crude, so it was perfect for what I was doing musically with that project.

On the other hand, I think all these names have started to live lives of their own, separate from their original meaning, ideas and connections.

In addition to noise releases you have put out a quality live c-tape of Keuhkot. What’s the story behind that release?

Keuhkot tape was released by Arkisto, a label that I run in co-operation with Pentti Dassum of Umpio, Nekorekords and many other things. It’s dedicated to reissues, unreleased unearthed old material and authorized live bootleg recordings. There’s not much of a story and I wasn’t personally involved in anything. Pentti had that recording and he acquired permission from Kake Puhuu for a release.

Who and what have been and are your biggest influences and sources of inspiration as an artist?

More or less directly influential bands/artists at the moment: Einstürzende Neubauten (until Tabula Rasa album), Con-Dom, Vivenza, Etat Brut, early Merzbow, latest Grunt albums, Brethren, Eric Lunde, early Swans, K2, early SPK, Brume, Nurse With Wound, early Contagious Orgasm, IRM (mostly lyrically), etc… Lots of “early” stuff it seems. Everything was better before and the first demo was the best.

My early noise influences were C.C.C.C., Incapacitants and Borbetomagus but I’m not very interested in any of them anymore.

Writers, thinkers, people, etc.: William S. Burroughs, J.G. Ballard, Philip K. Dick, Robert Anton Wilson, Samuel Beckett, Stephen Baxter, Louis-Ferdinand Céline, Aleister Crowley, Uuno Kailas, Kurt Vonnegut, Alan Moore (especially Promethea), Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman, etc…

Other things: Dada, Discordianism, Surrealism, Vienna Aktionism, Art Brut, science/speculative fiction (everything from serious/hardcore to total pulp trash), The Church of the Sub-Genius, Chaos Magick, Tarot, occultism in general, 1970s and 1980s exploitation cinema of all kinds (other cinema as well, although I’m not nearly as big a film freak as before), Gnosticism, abandoned buildings, decomposition, metal objects scraping concrete surfaces, survivalism, etc…

sickseed2What kind of instruments and equipment you use in making noise?

Anything, no limits, although I usually prefer a physical sound source. Metal junk with contact mics, synths/oscillators, effect pedals, bass, guitar, tape manipulations, anything. It often goes in phases where I concentrate on one instrument or source of sound for some time and then move on to something else when I feel I’ve got out everything I can at that time from one thing.

The only common thing with everything is that I do final editing on a multitrack software on computer.

How many gigs you’ve done thus far and where have you performed? Most memorable gigs, incidents, memories in general from these gigs?

All bands and projects combined, I’d say around 50 or a little more. Not much but there aren’t that many opportunities for this kind of music. Nor will I play just anywhere. I’ve played in pubs’n’clubs, private venues and festivals. Mostly in Finland but Gelsomina did a small UK tour and Paraffin Affiliates played in St. Petersburg once.

Most memorable gigs are Verde playing at Kaustinen Folk Music Festival and another Verde gig at a musician friend’s birthday party where we were spontaneously joined by Otto Donner. When Gelsomina played in London, former Death In June member Patrick Leagas commented that my vocals sounded like Hitler. There have been good and bad times at gigs, but luckily mostly good.

What tapes and CD’s of your own creation are available currently and where one can get them?

Sick Seed’s debut album The Great Corrupter is available from me in both LP and CD format and the label (Filth & Violence) should also have them. There’s also a tape version coming soon. Sick Seed Live + 1 tape is available from the same label as well as from me. Man And Machine 7” is available from me and the label (Turgid Animal). I don’t have copies of Elephant Man tape left but the label (Obscurex) should have. The same label also has Peenemünde CD and Unclean / ABNTR / SSRI split tape and you can get those two from me, too. Shift / Sick Seed split LP and CD are available from me and probably from label (Freak Animal) and Shift as well. I also have plenty of copies of Chains Of Death Command 7” and last two Verde CDs.

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Noise and the scene

How you listen to noise? Is c-tape the only true format for it?

sickseed6Either I concentrate on it fully or play it as background music for reading. I think noise should be listened to loud enough so you hear all the details. Listening to it REAL FUCKING LOUD isn’t necessary to me though there’s time for that every now and then. Good noise works at a reasonable volume, too, I think.

C-tape is traditional format and it’s still the most reasonable for small editions that noise releases usually are. Some noise fits better on tape, some on vinyl and some on CD. I don’t care what is “true” and what is not, especially since things described as true kvlt grimmfrostbitten are usually everything but.

How do you define ”noise”?

I’d rather not, but if forced at gunpoint, I’d say something like music, sound art or “aural object” that abandons melody, harmony and rhythm and replaces them with loud, abrasive, dissonant sound. That’s a crap definition, I know.

What do you listen to in noise?

Sound, details, interaction of different elements, composition, rhythm (not in “beat” sense). I’m not necessarily looking for originality but it certainly does no harm.

Why you listen to noise?

I like it, simple as that. It speaks to me. It interacts with what I have inside me. It’s the sound of destruction and building, decomposition and growth, full cycle, aural Alchemy.

How much you listen to noise in relation to other kinds of music you listen to?

I think I listen to other kinds of music much more than noise although it goes in phases, too. I haven’t noticed any certain times, situations or states of mind that would define what I want to listen to. It seems completely random.

Is noise music?

I think it is but what is music?

What is good noise like? What is bad noise like?

PekkaPTlive4Good noise is done because it has to be done, bad noise because it can be done. As said above, originality is not necessary but I loathe old farts who ride on their past and shit out one scene product after another. I don’t mind humour in noise unless it’s some post-modernist ironic piss-take. Good noise is passionate, bad noise is a product for target audience with no heart, brain or balls.

If one listens to noise a lot does it mess one’s ”biorhythms” and body up? Will plants die at home?

No, it heals them. Plants also, no need to water them anymore.

What are noise artists and listeners like – is it possible to make some general notes about them? How homogenous are these people in their age, style, political views, approach to life in general, etc.?

Male, 20-40 years old, background in other kinds of underground music, interest in “cultural extremes,” politically/ideologically either nihilist or into one extreme or another. That’s a broad generalization off the top of my head and there are exceptions. Education and family relations seem to vary a lot.

What do you think of the scene nowadays here in Finland and elsewhere? Where do you think the most interesting artists come from right now?

Finnish noise scene has been extremely strong for some years already and seems to continue that way. There’s a lot of variation in styles and people do their own thing instead of copying others or following trends. Most newcomers are very promising and bring something new to the table.

I can’t say much about scenes abroad since I don’t (have a chance to) follow them as closely. There’s been a lot of good stuff coming from Sweden all the time but it seems they’re now more productive and enthusiastic than ever.

You can talk about German style or UK style power electronics or Japanese noise or US noise, even Swedish sound but I don’t think there a special Finnish sound. Maybe it’ll take a foreigner to point out what it is?

I’d say everything from Finland and Sweden is worth checking out these days, with other countries there’s much bigger percentage of hit and miss.

Noise scene has its controversial elements, maybe especially in live settings. Have you been at some gigs where you were worried about the act in one way or another? Have you experienced or heard or seen of some noise act that you think did develope into something unacceptable or such? How people inside the scene approach these elements? How often artists just play with controversial elements because of shock value, how often there is some well thought points and intentions behind them?

sickseed1Some time ago I saw a performer cut a deep gash on his arm with razor blade. It looked bad (and actually needed 30-40 stitches afterward), but he just kept playing and rubbed blood from the wound on his face and equipment.

Once someone had a backing video of extreme pornographic material at an all-ages gig. I was sure there would be consequences but apparently there weren’t minors present or nobody cared. Another time someone had a backing video that showed cumshots on dead/dying rodents. That did cause some fuss, which was no wonder as it was a kind of crossover gig with plenty of unsuspecting audience.

I agree there are controversial elements but I don’t think they exist to the degree that outsiders and/or newcomers often think. It’s those elements that easily get anyone’s attention so it’s no wonder. I can’t say what’s the ratio of shock value (nothing wrong with trying to shock people, it’s just the attempts are usually in vain – most noise listeners are very much jaded) and serious content but I think it’s rather easy to spot who’s playing with taboos and controversial elements and who’s into them for real.

How are you inclined politically and ideologically? Did you vote in the last presidential elections?

I used to think I’m “Third Position,” but I’m not sure what it means anymore… I believe in individual nation states with their own customs and characteristics instead of one big consumerist multicultural sewer. No one should be ashamed of their heritage and no one is responsible of their forefathers doings. I’m anti-plutocratic, anti-globalization, etc. Most importantly anti-stupidity and anti-evil.

I did vote in presidential elections. My candidate was the one I thought would be the smallest evil. He wasn’t elected.

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Associations

What the following things and persons bring to your mind?

Turku

Finland’s true capital.

Sweden

Bögjävlar.

Freedom

Is it freedom to (do) something or freedom from something? Either way, I doubt it really exists.

Hippies

People who ask you for cigarette, get angry when you don’t have any and then pull a pack out of their own pocket.

UFO’s

I’ve never seen one, which doesn’t mean they wouldn’t exist.

Jodorowsky

Influential film director, thinker and magickian.

USA

Scapegoat for things everyone’s guilty of.

Firearms

We had hunting and sporting guns at home when I was a kid. I lively remember the sounds their moving parts make. The sound of authority, responsibility and respect.

Sauna

Peace and relaxation.

G.G. Allin

Hero and embodiment of free spirit.

TV

Vampire, both psychic and physical.

Nuclear war

Obsolete.

Pekka Siitoin

Another hero and free spirit, the Great Blasphemer and True Man.

Spanking

For naughty boys and girls.

Genesis P. Orridge

Once a pioneer, now something else but I’m not sure what.

Cryopreservation

Useless. Life is here and now.

Hate crime

Carnivore put it well: “Xenophobic tendencies instilled in us at birth are mislabeled racism.” I think “greed crime,” ie. economic crime is much bigger problem and root of all other crime.

Death penalty

Ultimate means for state to use its power.

Toilet humour

…or no humour at all!

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Future etc.

How your own music and approach to it has changed or developed during these years? Where do you think you are going with your music in the future?

PekkaPT5I’ve of course become more skilled and have tried a lot of different new equipment. I’m also not that interested in most extreme noise anymore, but moved towards more organic industrial sounds. I used to aim at sound that’s radiant like sun, if that makes sense, but now my ideal sound is that of decomposition and rotting, that of wood creaking, that of shoveling earth.

Starting to use vocals with Sick Seed and already in the end of Gelsomina was a big step. At that point I felt confident enough to start shouting and also that I could write lyrics that are good enough. I think I write good lyrics already but I want to become even better. I’d also like to use more varied vocals (not melodic singing though) in the future.

Can’t say for sure where I’m heading but I’d like to become better in cut-up techniques and learn to use different kinds of tape machines better. I’d also like to keep experimenting with combining noise and “real” instruments but it’s a slippery slope. I’m a guitar player at heart so I’d like to practice guitar more and utilize it more in my recordings.

How do you see the future of noise in general?

Same as its past. Art, entertainment and subculture for a small circle of people.

What kind of plans or visions you have for your distro? What kind of releases and publications we will see in the future? Do you have confirmed gigs in the future?

If everything goes well, there will be Mania / SSRI split tape and K2 tape out in February. There are more planned releases but I won’t talk about them yet lest they get jinxed one way or another. Next Arkisto release will be a Sewer Pyysalos tape (total cut-up insanity, their two CD-Rs reissued) and there are some very interesting relics waiting for Arkisto treatment so stay tuned.

pekkalive6As for gigs, there will be a Sick Seed record release party in autumn or early winter and there’s been talk of one gig abroad in spring 2014 but we’ll see. I’ll also perform as a member of Sonno Ferrum, a kind of “metal junk super band,” in May.

What makes you happy?

To crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentation of their women. That and quiet family life.

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Thank you for the interview, Pekka!

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Some related links:

Pekka’s distro Untergeschoss.

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Keikkaraportti: Live: SSRi, Umpio @ Kirjakahvila, Turku 28.9.

Live: SSRi @ Kirjakahvila, Turku 28.9. (1, 2).

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Pekka PT – Gelsomina/Hard & Obscure/Sick Seed interview.

Untergeschoss 2012 interview.

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Arkisto / Umpio / Nekorekords.

Filth & Violence.

Freak Animal.

Obscurex.

Shift / Unrest Productions.

Turgid Animal.

Verde.

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Boyd Rice 2012. Photo: Mute Records.

I had my first contact with Boyd Rice in the early 90’s after hearing his appearance in Bob Larson’s radio show. I wrote a letter to Boyd (there were no emails or internet in general use back then) who replied and kindly sent me a copy of Abraxas newsletter.

Years passed. The last year Boyd declared that the Church of Satan was dead. Soon after that I made an interview with Larry Wessel who had made a documentary film called Iconoclast about Boyd. At this point I was already thinking that an interview with Boyd would be great and the idea was cooking up.

Finally, after some 20 years since my first contact with Boyd, I contacted him again. He was fine about an interview to the blog and I started to make questions. The interview was made one question at a time over some two months. When the interview began I had no idea about Boyd’s upcoming gig in Helsinki, Finland – that created a whole new dimension to the interview!

In the interview Boyd talks about his current projects, the Church of Satan, Anton LaVey, Bob Larson, Iconoclast, pranks, reincarnation, Scandinavia, ABBA, Finland, architect Eero Saarinen and many other things.

Without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, Boyd Rice speaks!

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Present

Hi Boyd, how are you doing?

I couldn’t be better. Just redecorated my apartment and painted my black walls metallic silver. It took weeks, but it’s amazing! Life is good. My girlfriend is moving in with me and we’re making room for her shoes.

If this interview could take place anywhere, anytime, where would you take us to talk?

I used to know a french scholar who had the keys to Jean Cocteaus apartment in Paris, and it hadn’t been touched since Cocteau died and this guy really wanted me to see it. That would be the fetishistic fantasy place. Unfortunately this guy got some deadly disease and ended up killing himself. So I guess my modern answer would be my own apartment here in Denver. Or perhaps The Madonna Inn.

There is a new book out from you, Twilight Man. Tell us about the book, what is it about, where to get a copy?

It is about my life in 80’s San Francisco and how I came to develop a sense of “cultural pessimism”, I guess. It hasn’t gotten a bad review insofar as I know. People find it a fun read, even though it is ugly and brutal.

You can get it on the internet or just ask God for a copy…

There is also a biography under work about you. Who is the author, when can we expect to get the book into our hands?

Nina Antonia. Her Johnny Thunders bio is being made into a movie in Hollywood, so maybe someday when I’m dead there will be a movie too. We can hope…

Talking a bit more about books, you are one of the authors who have been ripped off by Creation Books. What do you think, will there be any chance of getting “James Williamson” to court to face justice for the fraud he has committed?

I seriously doubt it.

What is the most interesting book you have read lately? Why it was interesting?

The last book I read was the Nina Antonia bio of Johnny Thunders. It was interesting because his life was interesting and because Nina’s a great writer and brings a lot of insight to her subject-matter.

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Boyd with Anton LaVey. Photo: Carl Abrahamsson.

Church of Satan

How your first meeting with past Anton LaVey went? Where did you meet, any special jokes, wisdoms, or other notes about the meeting to share with us?

Anton met me at a film festival I was associated with and invited me to his house. I went over the following week and went back every week until I left the city. The stories he told me are all in his bio, which was essentially dictated to Blanche as he told them to me.

You wrote the last year a text where you declared yourself a High Priest of the Church of Satan and in the same text you also declared that the Church of Satan doesn’t exist anymore. This naturally caused some talk. I haven’t seen any reply from the Church to you regarding the text anywhere but I guess you have been receiving some feedback privately. What kind of feedback you have received? Has Peter H. Gilmore said anything about your text?

Of course not. Gilmore is a pussy. Everyone in the C.o.S. loves me and are bored to death of him and he knows it. Anton had a very dark heart and it sickens me to see people whitewash him and present his creed as pure rationalism. He was larger than that.

Rationalism and mysticism cannot co-exist. The latter speaks to soul oriented values and to the unknown (which man is trying to fathom). The former is a conceit that lets man think he has a handle on everything (he doesn’t). I would go so far as to say rationalism is the ultimate lack of logic. It certainly has no place in “occult” doctrine.

I think it’s easy for Gilmore to misrepresent LaVey because he didn’t really know him too well. I was at the Blackhouse all the time.

I think it’s easy for Gilmore to misrepresent LaVey because he didn’t really know him too well. I was at the Blackhouse all the time. That’s why I will defend Anton till the day I die, and that’s why I take the stance I do on the modern C.o.S…

I heard from a scholar of comparative religions the last year that Gilmore works or has been working in a Walmart, in a not so high position, while holding the status of the High Priest of the Church of Satan. I think there is nothing that special in someone working in a Walmart per se, but if someone is a High Priest of a church that is, or gives an impression of being, all about “might is right” and power in this world, this seems a bit amusing. Do you know if the claim is true? What kind of thoughts this brings to your mind in general?

I seriously doubt that is true, but a lot of people with a power philosophy have to punch a time-clock, that’s just the nature of the world. At least they have the notion of rising above that and in time perhaps they will. But anyone wishing to criticise Gilmore needn’t tell lies about his job… but rather point out how he’s bastardizing ASLV’s thought.

What do you think Anton would think of Gilmore and others who run the Church of Satan nowadays? What would he say to them?

Much what he said to me when he was still alive – that they were what Stalin called “useful idiots”. He’d hate people trying to cast him in a “good light”. He often said to me that he wondered why Satanists wanted to present him as a Good Guy. “I’m not a good guy” he would yell, “I’m a miserable sonofabitch!” That’s the LaVey I knew.

And he was much darker, very much darker than anyone is willing to admit these days. He was brutal to the max. That’s why I still love him so much… he was maybe the last unapologetic figure of the 20th century.

Whether LaVey agreed or not Satanism was a cult of personality. C.o.S. sans LaVey is like fascism without Mussolini… and a cult of personality requires someone who has a personality. It currently lacks that.

Whether LaVey agreed or not Satanism was a cult of personality. C.o.S. sans LaVey is like fascism without Mussolini… and a cult of personality requires someone who has a personality. It currently lacks that.

I think LaVey’s big mistake was to violate one of his primary directives… to assume others are like unto you and capable of the same things as you are. And they’re not. Elitism is not something you should mass-market. You can of course and it will be very successful. But it will never work out. That to me, with certain notable exceptions, is The Church of Satan today. I hope this will be my last commentary on all this. And I’d be willing to bet they wish the same!

What do you think of satanism nowadays? Has it lost its potential it once had? Do you still consider yourself a satanist – or is there nowadays a better, more updated term to describe the same individual spirit?

I rarely ever “think of satanism” unless asked about it in interviews. But since you asked, I think it is fundamentally flawed in certain of it’s basic premises. I don’t agree with the primacy of individualism any more than I believe that all men were created equal. If individualism existed (which I seriously doubt) I’m not sure what function it would serve. This was an idea which had great appeal in the post-50’s decade of conformity, but has since then not produced much of value in real world terms — more especially in the C.o.S. where it is a fundamental principle. And within that group everyone dresses alike, speaks alike and thinks alike… all based on a mass-market paperback from, what, 40-some years ago?! Am I missing something?

I rarely ever “think of satanism” unless asked about it in interviews. But since you asked, I think it is fundamentally flawed in certain of it’s basic premises.

By the way, I said much the same thing to LaVey when he was still alive, and he had to concur with me. He found it rather depressing. His exact words were “I’ve created a monster”.

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Iconoclast and things involved

Larry Wessel made a lenghty documentary Iconoclast about you that came out the last year. What do you think of the film?

Four hours of me me me has got to be great by anyones standards. But again, it was an attempt to whitewash me and present me as Mr. Fun. That is part of the story, but not the whole story. But most people seemed to like it.

I noticed that you bought and used in the film some nasal snuss. What is your favorite brand? How about the regular “under-your-lip”-type of snuss that you can get f.e. in Sweden and Norway?

I like Gawith Apricot Snuff, Dr. Rumneys, & McCrystals Violet Snuff. Don’t care for chewing tobacco or dental snuff.

I also like Al Capones Vanilla Snuff, which I’ve only ever found in the Leipzig train station.

One of the things that comes to mind from the film is the great spectrum of things where you have been involved with artistically and otherwise over the years. Is there something that you still would have liked been included in the film or excluded from it?

I’m not particularly bothered either way. That film is from two years ago at least and not me or anyone remembers what was or wasn’t in it. At least it wasn’t boring.

One of the more surprising things in the film were your thougths about reincarnation – you said in your talk with Bob Larson that you consider nowadays that a reincarnation might be possible. Do you still think that way? What has made you to consider that reincarnation might be possible?

I’ve always known things that I’ve never been taught. At a very young age my son said to me “when you were a child I was a man, now I’m a child and you’re my father”. This seemed quite odd to me at the time. When I visited my fathers sister a week later I told her of this conversation, and showed her a picture of my son. She said that the strange red marks my son was born with on his nose were identical to the scars on my grandfathers nose that he got when his model T truck was driven over a cliff. This sort of thing is very common in tales of reincarnation. As a child I had very specific memories of things and places I had never experienced. When I asked my parents why I had these memories they told me they were probably only dreams, but I knew they weren’t.

I’ve always known things that I’ve never been taught.

I still think ideas like genetic memory or ancestral recall are valid, at least in some cases, but my actual theories about reincarnation are too complex to explain in a format like this.

Bob Larson is featured in the film among many other persons. Your encounter with him in the film is pretty different from the early 90’s radio shows where he interviewed you. Has your view of Bob changed during this time? Do you think Bob really believes in the stuff he talks about or is he really like P.T. Barnum, as you once stated in his radio show?

Bob has been extremely consistent ever since he published his first book, in around 1970 or something. I don’t think you can fake something like that for over 40 years. I met his father one time and he was a True Believer. Of course Bob is a showman and understands how to play his audience. So was Anton LaVey… and P. T. Barnum. Nothing wrong with that!

What do you think of teenage girl exorcists Bob has apparently trained into the job? Is Bob a little bit dirty old man or is this just about the showman part you mentioned?

I think it’s pure showmanship. But it would make a good premise for a TV show — a sort or christian Charlies Angels.

In the film you tell about some of the pranks you have done, for example the famous goat head prank. What do you consider as your best pranks ever? Who are your favorite pranksters alive nowdays?

We snuck into a good friends house and left a bottle of maple syrup in his refrigeratator. It came in a bottle shaped like an old woman, and the incident totally freaked him out. He began carrying a gun with him everywhere the very next day. But the best pranks are when you draw someone into an absurd world of your own making and your fantasy becomes their reality, even if just for a short time. Therefore, the best pranksters now are mainstream politicians because that is their full time job. They are the best, because they’re the best conmen, but not necessarily my favorites.

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Scandinavia, ABBA, Finland and the future

NON gave a live show in Norway the last year. How was it? 

It was great. A lot of people from Finland traveled there to see it and a lot came to my show at The Roundhouse in London. I am looking forward to my visit there. See you soon.

You are an ABBA fan. What’s cool about ABBA? Do you have a big ABBA collection?

I have enough obscure ABBA songs that I could put together an entire album… songs that the band didn’t really release because they considered them imperfect or too weird. But of course the worst ABBA song is better than the best songs from a lot of bands. I wanted to cover them and put out an album called ABBA LEAD (as opposed to ABBA GOLD). I pitched the idea to Rose McDowall, but she didn’t seem interested. Shame… because that could have been huge.

The worst ABBA song is better than the best songs from a lot of bands.

That is a shame, indeed! Maybe she will change her mind about the project one day… I think you would make a fabulous cover of “Waterloo” and “Does your mother know” with maybe a bit changed lyrics. What do you think of this in addition of making covers of ABBA’s more obscure songs?

Don’t ask. None of this will ever happen anyway.

You are going to have a concert in Helsinki on 6th of November this year. This is the first time you’ll have a concert in Finland. What are you expecting and hoping from your visit here? How long you’ll stay here, any places you plan to visit, etc.? What kind of associations Finland brings to your mind?

I met people in London who flew all the way from Finland to see my show at the Roundhouse, and more people in Norway who did the same. So I’m looking forward to my trip there and have wanted to see it for a long time.

I recently met the daughter of Saarinen, and found out there is some sort of Saarinen museum just outside Helsinki… I’d love to see that and anything connected with the man or his family. He’s my favorite architect.

What kind of projects you are working with nowadays? What can we expect from you in some near future?

Most of this year I’ve been working on a book of my art for a British publisher — paintings, photos, montages & graphic design. It’s nearly done. Later this year a number of my essays are coming out in Outre Journal out of Australia. I also just filmed some scenes for Richard Wolstencroft’s new film The Second Coming, which is based on the poem by William Butler Yeats. I just returned from NYC where I spent time in the studio recording some new stuff. So I keep busy…

What makes you happy?

Animals make me happy… prairie dogs, foxes, squirrels and cats… coatis, bunnies, capybaras and kiwis.

But I still love consternation. I still love pissing people off. I love knowing that my very existence causes certain people great discomfort. And they deserve it… in spades!

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Thank you for the interview, Boyd!

Boyd Rice will perform at Kuudes Linja in Helsinki on 6th of November. You can buy tickets to the concert from Tiketti. Facebook page for the event can be found from here.

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Related links:

Boyd Rice/NON official webpage.

Boyd Rice/NON official Facebook page.

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Related previous posts:

Boyd Rice live at Kuudes linja, Helsinki, 6th November.

Church of Satan is dead.

Boyd Rice: An Embodiment of the Wolf’s Hook.

Larry Wessel speaks!

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